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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 26, 2019 2:53:38 GMT -5
Using genealogy websites to solve cases is relatively recent and never solved a high-profile case until the Golden State Killer case.
I'm assuming advancements in familial DNA comparison technology have helped, perhaps the technology wasn't as advanced 10 years ago, but even with the GSK case it was a very long and arduous process.
Just want to also clarify that direct familial DNA comparisons have always been around (like the way they solved the BTK case was once they identified Rader as a suspect they compared his DNA to his daughter) and it is the genealogy/ancestry site advanced process of identifying more distant relatives for a bigger suspect pool instead of just those closest to a suspect that is relatively new.
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 4, 2020 0:44:08 GMT -5
So it's been nearly 6 months since the program aired on Oxygen and there hasn't been any news about this case. Is that a reason to be concerned? Could they have reached another dead end? Last thing we heard was Sobieski (the detective) was going to see if there was a way to identify Turkish Hezbollah members who immigrated into the US from 2000-2004. I know COVID-19 may have slowed down the investigation for a while, but I can't help but get a little concerned that they've reached another dead end.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 4, 2020 1:06:31 GMT -5
I don't want to blame everything on Covid but it could certainly be the case. The other thing is real life is not like CSI where the case is solved in an hour and DNA sometimes takes time to match.
It is entirely possible the angle isn't a dead end but they just unfortunately have no match so far and it unfortunately may continue to be that way.
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Post by mbado2003 on Aug 3, 2020 17:25:35 GMT -5
Hey guys, I have a possible way to identify the killer, though I acknowledge it's a wild theory that may not even be possible to execute. But when you YouTube search "Turkish Hezbollah" only a few videos come up that are directly related to the Hezbollah. The key to this is the videos don't have very many views between them. The highest viewed video only has 2.7k views I believe. One of the videos is titled "The Turkish Hezbollah's Killing Spree Exposed (2000)" and it shows some of their carnage. It's very possible the killer frequents this video because it gives him flashbacks of his time with the Hezbollah. We know it's possible to see who all has viewed this video because nothing can be kept a secret on the internet, and because the NSA keeps records of everything, so I really think this could be a way to identify a suspect. I don't know the legality of this method, but I would advise investigators to explore this avenue if possible. Again, the videos have hardly any views, and the killer might frequently visit the video. What do you guys think of this theory?
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 3, 2020 17:58:03 GMT -5
I don't know how feasible that is- let alone the legal quagmire that would start- I also think the killer would cover their tracks well enough they'd use a VPN and fake info or disposable emails if they were involved in watching/posting or replying to the videos in any way
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Post by mbado2003 on Aug 3, 2020 19:43:31 GMT -5
I doubt he would even bother to cover his tracks while watching the videos. And I doubt he left any comments. By some witness accounts, this guy is in his 60s today, so he might not be the most tech-savvy person. I know this is a wild attempt to solve the crime, but if they fail to identify a suspect using every other method, I think they should at least consider what I'm saying, if it's possible. The low view count on the videos is what's critical.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 3, 2020 20:10:57 GMT -5
Even if possible, I don't think it's legal, although gray areas are getting crossed more and more lately.
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Post by mbado2003 on Sept 2, 2020 19:13:34 GMT -5
Hey guys. I was recently watching a documentary (attached below) and it talked about an inmate who died under very mysterious circumstances. His death was ruled a suicide, but this is improbable when common sense is applied. He appeared to have endured a lot of torture, and one of the ways he was tortured was having the soles of his feet beaten. I'm pointing this out because Al Kite's feet were also beaten, and this turned out to be a significant piece of information. Intelligence analyst Julie Quinn said the Turkish Hezbollah's signature was a form of torture called "Falaka." That is currently one of the biggest leads in the Kite case. I find it interesting that Falaka appeared to be used in the torture of this inmate in the documentary. Could this have been the same guy committing the murder? The documentary touches on this from 1:25:05-1:26:19. Viewer discretion is advised. P.S. The documentary is technically about a conspiracy theory, but most of the claims seem to be backed with sufficient evidence. www.bitchute.com/video/2cxN0emQPh4a/ |
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 2, 2020 19:19:01 GMT -5
not a bad theory and worth submitting a tip to FBI just in case, although it seems they have familial DNA and the region and it's just a matter of matching them.
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Post by mbado2003 on Sept 2, 2020 20:38:55 GMT -5
Right. I doubt there's any real connection, but it's worth pointing out at least. Btw, I noticed the link I provided appears to be dead. Not sure why that is the case. I'll post it again, but if it still doesn't work, I encourage anyone who's curious to just search the title of the film "A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995" on YouTube, Bitchute, or any other video site. www.bitchute.com/video/2cxN0emQPh4a/ |
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Post by Maddog on Sept 9, 2020 20:54:06 GMT -5
Here's my question: assuming a suspect is identified, what are the odds that he is still in the United States?
I would like to point out that while it's a possibility he has committed similar crimes in the US, they have his DNA profile, and I am sure it would have been linked to other homicides where DNA is available. That leads me to suspect he fled the U.S.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 9, 2020 21:18:31 GMT -5
I'm concerned he's in a place where we don't have a traditional extradition treaty, but you made a good point perhaps they'll send him back as long as they take the death penalty off the table.
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Post by mbado2003 on Dec 12, 2021 23:01:27 GMT -5
It's been over two years since the Oxygen program aired and there aren't any new developments. How long does it take to build family trees using genealogy results? (that's a genuine question). I'm worried they ran into another brick wall. What are everyone else's thoughts now? Btw, I tried emailing the detective about the connection I made between Al Kite and Kenneth Trentadue (the guy in the OKC Bombing documentary I mentioned a couple of posts ago), but the email failed to deliver despite multiple attempts over several days. The email address listed on the FBI poster may be outdated now.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 12, 2021 23:39:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately I don't know how long it takes. I don't know how busy she is, hit perhaps trying to get in touch with CeCe Moore via Twitter or other methods. I do think it probably takes longer and is more consuming than one might think and TV shows sort of actually under-exaggerate how tedious and how long the work and efforts to solve cases are.
Sucks about the FBI poster. Hopefully the FBI realizes and updates with correct contact information.
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 15, 2024 3:33:46 GMT -5
Hey all, it's been a few years so I'd like to give a few updates and post some new info. Recently I listened to an episode of the podcast Citizen Detective. It was an episode on Al Kite's case. One of the hosts said they reached out to Paul Holes to get updates on Al's case. Paul told them that genetic genealogy "is at a standstill", and that the Turkish Hezbollah theory hasn't proven to be helpful so far. Given it's been almost 5 years since the program on Oxygen aired, I'd say authorities have hit another dead end. That's very unfortunate considering the optimism there was in 2019 when the new leads were made public. Also, Detective Tom Sobieski is no longer the lead detective on the case, according to the FBI Vicap poster. This was his "passion case" as Pole Holes said, so I take that as another bad sign, meaning Sobieski may have finally given up. Of course that's conjecture on my part, but you tell me what it means. Next, there are two cases I want to bring to everyone's attention. They bear striking resemblances to Al's case. I came across these cases on other forums, so I'm not the first to make these connections by any means. The first case is the 2009 murder of Alan Wood. This took place in the UK. www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/j5l8r2/the_brutal_murder_of_alan_wood_tortured_to_death/The second case is the murder of Jim Duckett. This took place in Kentucky in 2008. www.reddit.com/r/JimDuckett/comments/1dcc7r6/did_oakey_al_kites_killer_murder_a_kentucky_man/Let me know what you think. |
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