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Post by Scumhunter on Jan 18, 2020 10:32:21 GMT -5
Sorry I'm breaking my own rule but toptenhunter had a good point in a conversation I had with him in that there's a controversial case involving a Huawei (Chinese tech company, sort of like their Samsung) executive wanted in the U.S. who was captured in Canada, and China wants her to be sent back home. So Hiers could theoretically be part of a baragining chip and why China is holding onto him in their custody while that is sorted out. This is just a theory, but I think a good one.
But yeah unless an article comes out before my next update (Scheduled for September 2020 currently) stating "U.S. Marshals declare Hiers still a fugitive after all" or "U.S. Marshals state Hiers definitely captured" I ask that we please not discuss him and instead I'll provide updates on my own. For the time being, his capture is neither confirmed or denied, as the Marshals have already stated, and now I'm done (again LOL).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:30:01 GMT -5
Friday will mark 3 1/2 years since we've had a full 15 fugitive list (that was when Markeith Loyd was added, and captured the same day). I still hope that they will add Zombie Mike Hawkins and Jory Worthen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 8:59:08 GMT -5
Friday will mark 3 1/2 years since we've had a full 15 fugitive list (that was when Markeith Loyd was added, and captured the same day). I still hope that they will add Zombie Mike Hawkins and Jory Worthen. Today is the fourth anniversary since we've had a full 15 fugitive list. I hope that the Biden administration will finally add the four vacant slots. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 3, 2021 2:23:15 GMT -5
Considering how high-profile a case it's becoming, I'm predicting the Marshals are going to add Qinxuan Pan to their Top 15 list if he isn't caught soon.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 2, 2021 16:39:42 GMT -5
I have an interesting question and I know the only case that was added to the marshals top 15 and FBI Top Ten at the same time is Ralph Bucky Philips in 2006, but is it possible the FBI could add one of the current U.S.M.S. Top 15 to put extra publicity on the fugitive as the Top Ten List is a bit more mainstream?
I know this is as rare as an Orange Banana, but which fugitive currently on the Top 15 could make the Top Ten List if there was an off chance that it could happen?
IMO I think the FBI could add Larry Chism or David Bonness to increase the reward to $125,000 and flush them out quickly, but then again it’s rare for this to happen.
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Post by 912thamwuser on May 2, 2021 16:50:23 GMT -5
I have an interesting question and I know the only case that was added to the marshals top 15 and FBI Top Ten at the same time is Ralph Bucky Philips in 2006, but is it possible the FBI could add one of the current U.S.M.S. Top 15 to put extra publicity on the fugitive as the Top Ten List is a bit more mainstream? I know this is as rare as an Orange Banana, but which fugitive currently on the Top 15 could make the Top Ten List if there was an off chance that it could happen? IMO I think the FBI could add Larry Chism or David Bonness to increase the reward to $125,000 and flush them out quickly, but then again it’s rare for this to happen. Probably whichever has the most circumstances in common with Clayton Lee Waagner, who was added to the Marshals' list in the late winter of '001 (SEQ ~#158) and the FBI's Ten Most Wanted (SEQ #467) that autumn before he was captured. |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 2, 2021 18:11:45 GMT -5
I have an interesting question and I know the only case that was added to the marshals top 15 and FBI Top Ten at the same time is Ralph Bucky Philips in 2006, but is it possible the FBI could add one of the current U.S.M.S. Top 15 to put extra publicity on the fugitive as the Top Ten List is a bit more mainstream? I know this is as rare as an Orange Banana, but which fugitive currently on the Top 15 could make the Top Ten List if there was an off chance that it could happen? IMO I think the FBI could add Larry Chism or David Bonness to increase the reward to $125,000 and flush them out quickly, but then again it’s rare for this to happen. That will generally only happen for a serious breaking news case like Bucky Phillips. I'm sorry but even though Larry Chism is an underrated cold case (he didn't "kill" anyone but sure as heck terrorized a lot of people), there's no way in heck that a cold case from 1978 is going to be on both lists. |
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Post by 912thamwuser on May 15, 2021 22:08:47 GMT -5
I really don't know the reason why the Marshals haven't had a full top 15 list in a lot of years. My best guess is budget reasons as it costs time and resources for each addition. It also is sort of a positive they haven't had a full 15 since it means the ones they are adding are getting captured. Quoting from a post on Qinxuan Pan's capture report thread, one could also argue on the other hand that, if they leave those vacancies open for too long, the list isn't getting put to nearly as good of use as it could. I know budget and time constraints are the most likely culprits, pun not intended, but I don't think they've had a fully loaded list since 8-23-008, two days after David Lee "Daddy Dave" Green (Sequence Number 211) and Luc Pierre-Charles (Sequence Number 212) were added simultaneously, and one day before Elliot Evan "Ricky" Stamps (Sequence Number 209) was captured. Only a 3 day span. Before that, there were some times in the first 1/3 of '007, and the turn of September to October, when they had the list loaded, before AMW busted the Kidney Couple (Sequence Numbers 195 and 196) that spring, and before Tony Ray Artrip (Sequence Number 204) was picked up. But if I was commissioner, I wouldn't think it was a good look if it had been more than a decade since the list was utilized that heavily. |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 15, 2021 22:25:37 GMT -5
The head of the Marshals is the director but besides that I do think the list would be full of fugitives weren't getting captured, but thankfully they have been. Ironically we have AMW 1.0 and it's successors' shows success in capturing fugitives off the list to partially 'blame' as well. One thing to keep in mind though is that neither the FBI top ten or is marshals top 15 list is always a "worst of the worst". Some are chosen because the crime they are accused of truly is horrific and/or they're considered a danger to the public, but it is mainly "the most wanted in the agency most likely to be caught via public tips." I'm not saying this to insult our fellow posters here, especially not 912th who actually reads the exclusives sections and makes year end most wanted list off of them (sorry to refer to you in third person just since this is addressing all of us), but I really wish we all read the "non-top list" sections a little more and paid a little more attention to those cases as well. There are many cases arguably even worse than any on the top lists, but they're the shiny object. It's not that I don't find the lists important, just I don't worry about them as much as I used to since there's so many additional cases that need attention as well and I realize the now the lists are more like "half worst of the worst half publicity". Yes I have the FBI and usms placed up top on the forum, but it's admittedly just good marketing strategy to generate discussion for the forum- have the most popular cases up front, but I implore us to read the other sections as well- that way you may find cases to actually suggest for the top lists.  |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 12, 2022 18:57:53 GMT -5
It seems at the moment, the Marshals may be pulling a Yaser Said with Rick McLean as he is still listed over there as deceased 6 months after his identity was confirmed after he died.
During the Casey and Vicky White, I had a feeling if the manhunt would’ve gone on for a bit longer that they would’ve replaced McLean and Outler thus completing the list and having 15 fugitives on the list.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 12, 2022 18:59:04 GMT -5
Yeah I was expecting White to be added too but thankfully it didn't have to come to that.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 22, 2022 17:52:18 GMT -5
Is this the first time in like ten years we had a technically full list? (Even though Dan Hiers is in limbo it's still technically a current slot)? Kudos to the Marshals for making it so!
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Post by 912thamwuser on Jun 22, 2022 19:24:20 GMT -5
I looked back on the US Marshals' 15 Most Wanted index and found only 14 faces with Hiers missing. I take it they finally withdrew him from the list, and they have one more vacancy.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 22, 2022 20:05:14 GMT -5
I looked back on the US Marshals' 15 Most Wanted index and found only 14 faces with Hiers missing. I take it they finally withdrew him from the list, and they have one more vacancy. Oh wow good catch so my bad still 14 but still almost full. Much better than I remember they only had like 9 out of the 15 once. (The Marshals and the FBI have switched roles, it used to be the FBI that added cases quickly and the Marshals that were slow lol). |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jun 30, 2022 20:03:12 GMT -5
One thing I’ve noticed is that back when guys like Hiers, Neverson, Gaston, McLean and such fugitives from the 2000s were on the list, the marshals only had about 8 or 9 fugitives on their list from 2010 until at least 2016.
They did start to add a couple of fugitives when The Hunt was in its peak in 2016, and much of their cold cases from the 2000s have ended up getting caught in recent years and replacing them with mostly recent cases and a sprinkle of cold cases here and there, which is why they’ve gotten more daring with nearly filling up their list. The final open slot I think will be left alone for the most part unless a breaking news fugitive or they find someone appropriate for it.
Also I want to touch on the point of Dan Hiers being removed, but wouldn’t it be considered a good thing that Hiers was taken off rather than Ruffo, Abbott, Chism or Creamer who have been on the list for ages as it could indicate something positive? Again we don’t know what Hiers’ status is currently, and even if he may not have been caught perhaps it could be that even with all the news networks reporting about Hiers alleged capture, that publicity in the case has waned since September 2018, which would obviously suck if that was the case, but then again we don’t know. Then again John Ruffo was removed for a time before getting put back on.
Anyways I really give the Marshals Top 15 Most Wanted kudos for how it’s been handling its list and I hope they keep up the good work.
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