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Post by Scumhunter on May 4, 2019 0:40:10 GMT -5
Technology was already advancing but Fisher unfortunately managed to go on the run right before the massive expansion of security tools (unfortunately a lot as a result of 9/11 but also then director Mueller modernizing a very outdated FBI office)
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Post by Bendeko on May 14, 2019 7:05:05 GMT -5
First post here! I've been re-watching the Where is RF doco and something stood out that i hadn't thought about before. I've read this entire thread but it was nearly a year ago so sorry if this has been brought up before...
The murders occurred on April 10 and his car was found April 20.. the investigators believe the car had been there for "2-3, possibly 5 days".. so my question is what happened in those 5 to possibly 8 days between the murders and the car being found?
It makes me think he must have been long gone before the car was found and that the searching of the caves and the woods was the wrong direction of investigation to begin with
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Post by Scumhunter on May 14, 2019 7:31:31 GMT -5
Hey bendeko,
Thanks for joining the forum! And yes there are so many inconsistencies on both aspects which is partially what makes this a difficult case to solve
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Post by Maddog on May 26, 2019 20:15:08 GMT -5
First post here! I've been re-watching the Where is RF doco and something stood out that i hadn't thought about before. I've read this entire thread but it was nearly a year ago so sorry if this has been brought up before... The murders occurred on April 10 and his car was found April 20.. the investigators believe the car had been there for "2-3, possibly 5 days".. so my question is what happened in those 5 to possibly 8 days between the murders and the car being found? It makes me think he must have been long gone before the car was found and that the searching of the caves and the woods was the wrong direction of investigation to begin with That's inconsistent with what Detective Kirkham originally stated on Unsolved Mysteries. His belief was that it had been parked there less than 24 hours after discovery. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 16, 2019 14:23:15 GMT -5
Just wanted to mention that Robert Fisher was In Pursuit's chosen fugitive for their "Fugitive Friday" feature on Facebook over the weekend. (See the show's June 14th, 2019 postings).
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Feb 22, 2020 9:31:23 GMT -5
According to this YouTube video, which is an Arizona news station doing a segment on Fisher in November 2019, and they point out that not far from where they located Mary Fisher’s vehicle, there is an Apache reservation and authorities never even bothered to search it. One must have to think to themselves, did the residents of the reservation take Robert in? or did they kill Robert for trespassing?, all these questions are things I’m asking myself after watching this. It’s crazy that they are now calling this case, 2 decades old, or 20 year mystery, geez it’s been that long and I feel so old hearing this myself. I had turned 3 a few weeks before this happened. youtu.be/4A8hBfdq39o |
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 22, 2020 10:37:51 GMT -5
I think the only possible options are still alive or suicide (or one wild card in dying via the elements- it is very hard to be a survivalist even for someone as seemingly skilled as Fisher. I just can't picture him being killed by those on a reservation and that's more of like a movie-type scenario.
It is crazy it has been so long but I feel the same way about Jason Brown as well.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 23, 2020 20:30:36 GMT -5
I think the current detective in that clip was misquoted. He is not going to try to jeopardize a case that’s open by presuming his lead suspect is dead. The best approach is to proceed under the presumption that he’s alive.
I’m 75/25 that Robert is still alive, but I had no idea he was using a quad runner and camping in that spot a week earlier. That leads me to suspect he was determining a way to dump the vehicle and to get out of there.
Plus, we know the FBI hired professional spelunkers to go through those caves in Tonto National Forest a few years ago, and they found nothing in them.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 24, 2020 0:31:35 GMT -5
I was hoping to get everyone else’s take on the assigned detective’s statement? I really think that was an edit. I doubt the current assigned detective is going to say that.
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 24, 2020 1:02:21 GMT -5
It would help if I actually watched the segment lol as now I did- I think that this news story sort of twisted words around in the way they edited it. It seemed like the detective was possibly saying "either he's still out there or he went out in the woods and committed suicide." but they only gave us the last part of his comment. (This may be a weird analogy but it reminds me of how people on reality shows complain the editing twists their words to make them look worse than they are). I don't mean to insult the reporter who did a good job but whoever edited the segment could have done a better job imo.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 24, 2020 7:24:35 GMT -5
It would help if I actually watched the segment lol as now I did- I think that this news story sort of twisted words around in the way they edited it. It seemed like the detective was possibly saying "either he's still out there or he went out in the woods and committed suicide." but they only gave us the last part of his comment. (This may be a weird analogy but it reminds me of how people on reality shows complain the editing twists their words to make them look worse than they are). I don't mean to insult the reporter who did a good job but whoever edited the segment could have done a better job imo. I agree. Another thing: I don’t think the police erred in not searching the nearby reservation. There is a discussion in that clip of how Fisher may have been seen fleeing on foot from the area. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 24, 2020 15:37:48 GMT -5
Yeah I also think it's a little unfair to criticize something so long after the fact- I do think law enforcement as much as I respect them- has a tendency to err on the side of assuming someone is alive and hence overlook obvious clues at times- Beacher Hackney was laying dead pretty close to the crime scene for three years for example and I feel clues he committed suicide were rather obvious, or one time a fugitive in the Utah mountains (Lance Arellano) wanted by the FBI for attempted murder of a park ranger was found by college students of all people years later, but to me law enforcement has no choice but to err on the side of caution and for the sake of public safety assume the fugitive is alive and still-at-large until proven otherwise, even if it means sometimes overlooking clues the fugitive may be dead. (I think David Burgert actually is dead for example, but for the sake of public safety I appreciate the publicity and you can't let your guard down if he somehow escaped that shootout). Fisher may be an exception and actually be alive, but I feel like it's getting a point where authorities are going to be criticized for not searching every nook and cranny in all of Arizona, not just near Tonto.
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Post by tekarukiari1995 on Feb 24, 2020 19:08:36 GMT -5
Still makes me baffled that there hasn't been at least one confirmed sighting, which makes the theory that he suicide or is dead a likely possibility. I mean Jason Brown had one confirmed sighting back in 2008 in Salt Lake City but this dude hasn't had one sighting in the nearly 20 years he's been on the run.
I mean we're talking about a guy on a list of 10 most wanted fugitives of one of the most powerful law enforcement agencies in the world, imagine the intensity of being searched for and the pressure one has to go through to be in such a list for so long.
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 25, 2020 0:25:58 GMT -5
I agree. I should mention the sighting of Brown is somewhat disputed/has never been confirmed but at least there is that possible sighting with none pertaining to Fisher.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Feb 25, 2020 0:36:42 GMT -5
I feel sightings may not be that credible in the cases of Jason Derek Brown or even Brad Bishop, heck for all we know Fisher could be living in the middle of West Virginia without anyone suspecting a thing about the man.
In a way the world is becoming a smaller place with technology but there’s just so many parts of the world that are rural areas and small towns were these individuals can hide.
Granted Fisher could be living in a heavily populated metropolitan area and is hiding in plain sight but I doubt someone like him would prefer a heavily populated metro area like his birth place of Brooklyn, New York.
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