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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 25, 2020 0:42:29 GMT -5
Fisher and somewhat Brown as well unfortunately were very lucky in their timing as they went on the run right before the explosion of advanced post-2001 technology. Heck, Facebook was just starting/still mainly for only college students when Brown went on the run.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Feb 25, 2020 0:49:23 GMT -5
Fisher and somewhat Brown as well unfortunately were very lucky in their timing as they went on the run right before the explosion of advanced post-2001 technology. Heck, Facebook was just starting/still mainly for only college students when Brown went on the run. Also speaking of technology, back in 2001 they had pay phones unlike today, and Fisher was alleged to have called the AMW hotline in August of 2001 in Chester, Virginia. If in fact Fisher made this phone call, I could see him living in Rural Virginia or even West Virginia despite the amount of time that has passed. Both Robert Fisher and Jason Derek Brown spent the entire 2010s as ghosts during the decade technology saw improvements, and despite seeing other longer running fugitives like Van Wisse, Paul Jackson, & William Claybourne Taylor during the same decade. |
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Post by Maddog on Feb 25, 2020 7:31:56 GMT -5
Here are my takes on the recent posts:
1) Yes, there haven’t been any confirmed sightings, but Robert Caldwell, the FBI Agent assigned to this case, said he felt he has been close on this case. He has mentioned the Grand Isle, LA sightings in several interviews, which leads me to believe he saw information in those sightings that led him to suspect it was accurate info. Additionally, in the documentary, the lead Scottsdale Detective said they had received 10-20 leads where they could say in all likelihood that the person sighted was Robert.
2) I don’t believe the phone call from Virginia was made by Robert. Although the operator on the AMW hotline said the caller spoke with a West Coast accent, and he thought it was genuine, the owner of the pizza store where the pay phone in question was located indicated that phone had been used frequently to make crank calls. Further, the FBI showed photos to employees at the store, and no one saw anyone resembling Robert. Further, in the documentary, one of the Scottsdale Detectives said he didn’t believe Robert made the call.
3) Robert doesn’t need a support system - he’s a loner, and historically, loners take longer to find. He doesn’t need to contact family or friends.
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 25, 2020 9:45:26 GMT -5
There have been sightings of Fisher but none where the FBI will admit at least with him- while there was a
"definitive" sighting of Jason Brown- I know I'm contradicting myself- it is a disputed definitive sighting and might not have been Brown but still a public and not undisclosed allegedly definitive sighting if that makes that sense. But yeah I agree otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 9:13:23 GMT -5
Today is the nineteenth anniversary of the murders.
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Post by Maddog on Sept 19, 2020 23:43:47 GMT -5
This is one of the best articles I have read on this case:
I am of the belief Robert is still alive (75% certainty). The one thing this article says is he probably wasn't stashing cash. He may have only had that $280. This article shows this, but there was a sighting at a bar outside of Scottsdale after the murders where someone resembling Robert went to a bar and ordered a drink while a woman with him went to the bathroom and vomited (she seemed startled). Friends add that Fisher rarely drank, but the person resembling him did order Robert's favorite drink: A Johnnie Walker Red. The belief is Robert dumped Mary's 4-Runner 24-48 hours after it was discovered in the Tonto National Forest. I believe that Robert was aided by someone he was having an affair with (I'm inclined to believe he may have had more than one affair). I'm sure this person also picked him up at Tonto, as well (remember, a couple saw someone resembling him climbing towards the road leading towards Young).
This article revealed something I was not aware of: He was basically flaunting his affairs to Mary towards the end.
The age-enhanced photos of him are likely very accurate: The FBI used their Quantico Laboratory to put the photos together using photos of Robert's relatives.
I am wondering: Does anyone know more about the Grand Isle, Louisiana sightings which occurred in 2003? I was wondering what the tips entailed and why they are leaning on these tips as being pretty reliable. Secondly, how else does anyone think he can be lured out of hiding? Would a media campaign like Bulger's case help? Any ideas?
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 19, 2020 23:56:16 GMT -5
I think The Hunt did generate some good leads when they profiled Fisher a few years ago so hopefully In Pursuit considers him as well.
I think seeing some long-time cold case captures along with the capture of Yaser Said has taught us that some guys just manage to stay on the run.
The fact that the FBI still hasn't removed him is probably also a good sign they think he's still alive, although you have to factor Donald Webb laying dead in his wife's house for a decade and a half and leaving him on the list for a large chunk of those years as well.
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Post by Maddog on Sept 20, 2020 0:53:07 GMT -5
I think The Hunt did generate some good leads when they profiled Fisher a few years ago so hopefully In Pursuit considers him as well. I think seeing some long-time cold case captures along with the capture of Yaser Said has taught us that some guys just manage to stay on the run. The fact that the FBI still hasn't removed him is probably also a good sign they think he's still alive, although you have to factor Donald Webb laying dead in his wife's house for a decade and a half and leaving him on the list for a large chunk of those years as well. Any word on the leads The Hunt generated? I’m just trying to figure out if they placed him near the same area. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 20, 2020 0:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by Maddog on Sept 20, 2020 2:02:20 GMT -5
Gotcha. Any other promising tips come from that episode? I would love to know the circumstances regarding the Grand Isle sightings, but I doubt the FBI will release info on that to keep the investigation out of jeopardy. Aside from when he was last seen by the tow truck driver who helped him get the 4-Runner out of the ditch, here is a timeline of the sightings we know of (this is just for sightings where the person has not been confirmed to be someone other than Fisher): August 2001: Someone claiming to be Robert Fisher calls the AMW hotline bragging that he won’t be caught. Detective Jiran doesn’t believe the caller was Robert, but Detective Caldwell did believe it was him (he also stated the caller said something else that led them to believe it was Robert) and a UFAP warrant was obtained as a result. 2003: Sightings in Grand Isle, LA. When they happened exactly and details about them are unknown, but they did occur after a 2003 airing on AMW. June 2003: One of Robert’s old neighbors sees him driving in front of his old home. He flees before the police respond; June 2009: Guatemala sighting: Tourists are approached by a man speaking English who is irate his photo was taken and alluded to having committed a crime before. The photo is of someone who looks like Robert. Detective Jiran really seemed intrigued by this sighting in the documentary. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 20, 2020 2:08:26 GMT -5
I guess I meant that even though it was a false alarm that it would indicate that the show did generate tips.
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Post by Maddog on Sept 20, 2020 2:28:24 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed, by the way, that the FBI in this case has really never revealed any solid leads as to where he may be (with the exception of the Grand Isle case)? They have with Jason Brown, with the Redding, CA, sighting, the Salt Lake City sighting, etc. I wonder why that is in this case. I doubt it’s because the FBI believes he’s constantly on the move (because that is the case with Brown, as it seems). Plus, one of the detectives said they have had 10-20 good leads as to where he may be.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 20, 2020 2:34:57 GMT -5
Hopefully it means that (if he's alive), they're closer to Fisher than they're letting on. They never revealed the close call with Yaser Said back in 2017.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Oct 25, 2020 22:22:55 GMT -5
I think the reason Fisher has been able to stay on the lam is because he likely is hiding out in Northern Maine where it’s isolated compared to the coastal cities, or he’s somewhere in Southeastern Alaska (near Ketchikan or Juneau) where the weather is a bit less brutal than the actual chunk of Alaska.
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Post by Maddog on Oct 25, 2020 23:15:09 GMT -5
I think the reason Fisher has been able to stay on the lam is because he likely is hiding out in Northern Maine where it’s isolated compared to the coastal cities, or he’s somewhere in Southeastern Alaska (near Ketchikan or Juneau) where the weather is a bit less brutal than the actual chunk of Alaska. Not that I am saying you’re wrong (he could be anywhere), but I do know he preferred warmer climates. My gut instinct (and judging by the Grand Isle, LA sightings) is that he is still likely hiding somewhere warm due to his back. |
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