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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 26, 2019 17:53:24 GMT -5
The FBI will distinguish if any of the alleged dirtbags on their list are their #1 such as when Osama Bin Laden was #1, but for the most part they're all considered of equal importance. Jason Derek Brown I assume they felt the raised reward would help more publicity-wise than the others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 20:46:04 GMT -5
Today is the 18th anniversary of Mary, Britney and Robert Jr.'s murder.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 2, 2019 3:55:41 GMT -5
Found an interesting comment from the most recent Reddit thread on Fisher. Granted, you never know if the person is telling the truth but this man sounds fairly convincing. The user says although he did not know Fisher he worked in the same respiratory department that Fisher worked in from 1999-2001. He says his co-workers tell him that leading up to the events of April 10th, 2001, Fisher would obsessively study maps constantly at work. Maps of Arizona and surrounding states was his understanding. The user also adds that in his opinion police did not thoroughly investigate the vast amount of caves surrounding the back road where Fisher's dog and vehicle were found and that they only searched a fraction of the caves in the area (this is essentially I think repeating some accusations in the Where is Robert Fisher documentary but it is a local saying it). Kind of interesting how this guy provides arguments for and against. But I do feel this is a legit poster based on him knowing the years Fisher worked there and describing his co-workers. Now maybe the co-workers were exaggerating how "obsessively" Fisher studied maps or he studied them for various reasons, but I don't know too many guys who study maps of their states and surrounding states for recreational purposes so it in my opinion for supporting the argument that Fisher planned a run. www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9z5npn/robert_william_fisher/ |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 2, 2019 4:02:28 GMT -5
P.S. If Fisher really did "obsessively" study maps it would in my opinion make the Guatemala lead more credible as I wonder if - if he was planning a run- the best way to get to Mexico/Latin America.
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Post by Maddog on May 3, 2019 4:24:15 GMT -5
P.S. If Fisher really did "obsessively" study maps it would in my opinion make the Guatemala lead more credible as I wonder if - if he was planning a run- the best way to get to Mexico/Latin America. If he was studying maps at work, that really leads me to believe he didn’t commit suicide. |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 3, 2019 4:26:57 GMT -5
Definitely agree it would lean that way, though I'm surprised the people in that Reddit thread leaned towards suicide.
I admit my mind changes every day lol but for the past year or so I've been pretty consistently 60-40 towards him being alive.
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Post by Maddog on May 3, 2019 12:29:26 GMT -5
I fully agree. I am leaning towards 70-30 alive.
The FBI didn’t search those caves personally, but they did hire spelunkers to do it. They found nothing.
Here’s why I believe he didn’t commit suicide:
1) If he did, Blue (the family dog) wouldn’t have left his body. There was just a case recently where a man went missing and the dog traveling with him led the rescuers to his body.
2) Nothing has been found in those caves indicating Robert hid some stash in them. None of the guns or warm-weather clothing he took were ever found in them.
3) As listed above, Robert took his warm-weather clothes with him, which haven’t been found.
4) In a family mass murder, most suicides invariably happen at the crime scene and not elsewhere. If Robert really wanted to commit suicide, I believe he would have done so at the home.
5) We now know he was studying maps leading up to this. Probably planning things out, which routes to take, etc.
6) As stated in the documentary, a man fitting Robert’s description was seen by two witnesses hiking out of the Tonto National Forest area.
7) AMW uncovered some promising sightings of him in Grand Isle, LA. These were reported by two tipsters, and the tips were promising enough that Agent Caldwell has referenced them in several interviews.
8) One of the detectives has said they have received they have received 10-20 “strong” leads on his whereabouts. Not a lot, but nonetheless, these leads probably had info in them that indicated that the person was indeed Robert.
9) I posted this on Reddit a while back, and I have tried in vain to find this article, but one of Robert’s neighbors called 911 one morning after claiming that he was standing in front of the slab that used to be the Fisher residence. The man disappeared before police arrived.
Is it possible he’s dead? Sure. But keep in mind, there’s a lot of evidence he planned this way out in advance, which may explain why he’s still out there.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 3, 2019 17:08:51 GMT -5
The only thing I slightly disagree on is Shane Miller committed suicide in the woods after killing his wife and children so it's not a given Fisher would kill himself at home- there's always the possibility even if he didn't plan to kill himself he felt guilt or died in the elements.
I am surprised the consensus outside the forum- granted it's just Reddit or other public message board threads- seems to be that Fisher is dead since the consensus on this forum leads towards alive (although I'm admittedly non-committal and only lean towards alive but still). But perhaps these people haven't watched AMW, the documentary etc... as much as we did.
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Post by Maddog on May 3, 2019 18:48:14 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on May 3, 2019 21:17:58 GMT -5
Nice find! The fact that it was a neighbor and not some stranger makes the sighting more credible |
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Post by Maddog on May 3, 2019 21:26:38 GMT -5
Nice find! The fact that it was a neighbor and not some stranger makes the sighting more credible She knew Robert likely for years, so she probably recognized him immediately. I find this very credible. |
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Post by Maddog on May 3, 2019 21:39:42 GMT -5
My belief is that if he’s alive, Robert is living in a warm-climate area. One of AMW’s last airings on Fisher indicated some of the best tips were coming from Mexico. Makes sense to me. Reason being, a colder climate like the Northeast or Midwest will really aggravate old injuries to include back problems.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 3, 2019 23:44:53 GMT -5
If Fisher did commit suicide IMO it would’ve been a couple years after the crime, i don’t think Fisher would live too long living and thinking about what he did if he was described as a very religious man. This is a case where it was Robert Fisher’s own wife and kids, they were in his life for a good chunk of his life before being a fugitive, it’s not like someone murdering a random person during a robbery, home invasion, or for suspected of being a law enforcement agent. That guilt is or has been eating away at him.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 3, 2019 23:54:55 GMT -5
I think the problem is- sorry to say- religious people are often hypocrites and use their religion to justify murder a la John List. (Not to bash any religious people viewing as I consider myself a non-practicing Jew).
So sadly I feel Fisher's religion might have made him feel more justified and rationalized his horrific alleged actions to himself.
The only thing I will say is part of me really wants Fisher to be dead for Bill Cooper's sake. I hate thinking that he died and the man who killed his daughter and grandchildren was still out there.
At the same time, if Fisher was caught alive, it would have been a painful trial for him (and anyone in the Cooper or even Fisher famoly) to go through.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 4, 2019 0:33:36 GMT -5
I think the problem is- sorry to say- religious people are often hypocrites and use their religion to justify murder a la John List. (Not to bash any religious people viewing as I consider myself a non-practicing Jew). So sadly I feel Fisher's religion might have made him feel more justified and rationalized his horrific alleged actions to himself. The only thing I will say is part of me really wants Fisher to be dead for Bill Cooper's sake. I hate thinking that he died and the man who killed his daughter and grandchildren was still out there. At the same time, if Fisher was caught alive, it would have been a painful trial for him (and anyone in the Cooper or even Fisher famoly) to go through. I couldn’t agree more with you on the topic of religious people being hypocrites and using the faith to justify certain things ☺️. But I’m leaning more towards Robert Fisher being alive, lately we’ve had a lot of long time fugitives getting caught, however Fisher is now at the 18 year mark, despite having been on the Ten Most Wanted for nearly 17 years in an era AFTER the Internet, Computers and during the innovation of the cellphone into we know today as a smartphone. Honestly that’s crazy to think guys like Robert Fisher managed to stay on run the despite technology having advanced to quickly and being on one of the most infamous lists in the country if not the world. |
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