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Post by Scumhunter on May 1, 2021 8:32:59 GMT -5
By tonight I meant Saturday.  The Mad TV slot (back when it was still on Fox). |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 1, 2021 8:35:03 GMT -5
But yeah I mean I guess we'll see. Maybe we've been a little too doomsday-ish.
I'm going to be honest- any other show would be cancelled with the ratings AMW had- however, because the show did have success in getting some captures I can see Fox giving it another chance.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 17, 2021 18:51:07 GMT -5
I have bad news and I have "good" news. The bad news is Fox released their fall schedule and AMW is NOT on it. They are not mentioned as a midseason replacement show as well. The good news is there no mention that they cancelled AMW either and it is not on the list of canceled shows when there are some shows mentioned as being given the ax- and last year they brought AMW back as sort of a surprise in the midseason. So it's possible that the show will be like In Pursuit and only air sporadically (these are different times and unfortunately the ratings and limited schedule for regular shows with all the sports they air doesn't justify AMW airing every week like it used to). It admittedly doesn't look good, but I'd wait until you see an article officialy declaring it canceled before completely hitting the panic button. tvline.com/2021/05/17/fox-fall-lineup-2021-911-lone-star-midseason/ |
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Post by ninja108 on May 22, 2021 10:10:26 GMT -5
I have bad news and I have "good" news. The bad news is Fox released their fall schedule and AMW is NOT on it. They are not mentioned as a midseason replacement show as well. The good news is there no mention that they cancelled AMW either and it is not on the list of canceled shows when there are some shows mentioned as being given the ax- and last year they brought AMW back as sort of a surprise in the midseason. So it's possible that the show will be like In Pursuit and only air sporadically (these are different times and unfortunately the ratings and limited schedule for regular shows with all the sports they air doesn't justify AMW airing every week like it used to). It admittedly doesn't look good, but I'd wait until you see an article officialy declaring it canceled before completely hitting the panic button. tvline.com/2021/05/17/fox-fall-lineup-2021-911-lone-star-midseason/Sad to say but the writing is pretty much on the wall for AMW here. Wish it wasn't so. |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 22, 2021 14:49:51 GMT -5
Admittedly it doesn't look good but they haven't officially canceled it yet either. Someone on Twitter keeps claiming they're showing reruns every Friday or Saturday night but I've only seen that happen once.
In a way this limbo is worse than when AMW 1.0 was canceled by Lifetime- since even though the wait for what we thought would be a Lifetime season 2 was taking longer than expected, I wasn't aware how serious the Fox and Lifetime licensing spat was and wasn't expecting it to get cancelled. So I didn't have that anxiety of not knowing. Yeah, obviously the end result was shocking and soul-crushing (at the time- time heals all wounds and we finally wound up with The Hunt and the more AMW-esque In Pursuit), but the wait itself was annoying but not worrisome even though it should have been.
But in this case, we don't know one way or the other, which is beyond frustrating and it would be nice to hear one way or the other.
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Post by Maddog on May 26, 2021 17:45:13 GMT -5
What I suspect it will boil down to is costs. The reason AMW was canceled in 1996 and in 2011 by Fox was because of high production costs and not enough return on ratings. It would seem that the chances are good for lightning to strike a third time considering the technology used on the show and reenactments.
However, TV Series Finale has their prediction:
Additionally, for reassurance, Name that Tune was another Fox revival that they have NOT made a call on as of yet, and only had very slightly higher ratings, but TV Series Finale is also saying it will likely be renewed.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 26, 2021 18:46:22 GMT -5
What I suspect it will boil down to is costs. The reason AMW was canceled in 1996 and in 2011 by Fox was because of high production costs and not enough return on ratings. It would seem that the chances are good for lightning to strike a third time considering the technology used on the show and reenactments.
However, TV Series Finale has their prediction: Additionally, for reassurance, Name that Tune was another Fox revival that they have NOT made a call on as of yet, and only had very slightly higher ratings, but TV Series Finale is also saying it will likely be renewed.
The thing is I saw that prediction from pretty much the start of the new AMW- it wasn't made after the ratings continued to plummet. I think they were assuming Fox would give AMW more than one season to make an impact regardless of what their ratings were because of the good the show has done- but I'm not sure they were expecting the low ratings they had. We do have to hope that Fox does reconsider considering the night they had AMW placed on- granted other shows have done well on Monday nights- but to me AMW on Mondays just didn't feel right for whatever reason(s). |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 12, 2021 4:40:07 GMT -5
I just wanted to say I finally rewatched all five episodes again and although I stress I didn't hate the show the first time, I did enjoy it a lot better on second viewing.
There were still some things that drove me crazy, like constantly asking if you saw a fugitive 20 years ago to call them when what's most important is if you've seen them in 2021, or the fact that with only five weeks the Josephine Overaker segment was unnecessary to begin with (if you have more than 5 episodes fine but if not why waste time on a case where someone had no actual victims when there so many more dangerous and murderous FBI fugitives that could have taken that slot) let alone taking up two segments, but overall I felt myself enjoying it more rather than re-noticing the flaws or seeing new flaws.
We'll see what happens, there is room for improvement that I think they are capable of, but we'll see what Fox does based on the ratings,
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 2, 2022 7:40:30 GMT -5
It is now March 1st so I think it is safe to say the show isn't coming back or we would have heard by now.
I think since it was billed as a limited series run (although they would have obviously had a second season if it did well), and even called the last episode the "series finale" in a Fox nation article, is how they can get away with canceling it without having to announce they cancelled it. They can just say hey it was just a one-time nostalgia trip for March sweeps.
It wasnt bad and had a few captures, but there's a few things I'm still ticked off about in retrospect that I felt hurt the show but I'll expand on that another day.
I still think there will always be AMW or some form of it from time to time, Unsolved Mysteries constantly comes back after long breaks as well, but at least we still have In Pursuit.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 14, 2022 17:29:25 GMT -5
I think in the ultimate sign AMW 2.0 was canceled for good, I noticed Elizabeth Vargas's Twitter no longer mentions she's the host of AMW in her bio.
Which is a shame, since as I said before, the new AMW had a lot of issues, but Elizabeth Vargas wasn't one of them and I thought did a great job considering the circumstances and shoes she had to follow.
I know I keep saying I want to expand on what I felt went wrong if there ever is a 3.0, but it would be a long rant so it might take a while for it to be posted lol.
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Post by ninja108 on Mar 20, 2022 18:27:57 GMT -5
I think in the ultimate sign AMW 2.0 was canceled for good, I noticed Elizabeth Vargas's Twitter no longer mentions she's the host of AMW in her bio. Which is a shame, since as I said before, the new AMW had a lot of issues, but Elizabeth Vargas wasn't one of them and I thought did a great job considering the circumstances and shoes she had to follow. I know I keep saying I want to expand on what I felt went wrong if there ever is a 3.0, but it would be a long rant so it might take a while for it to be posted lol. The writing had been on the wall a long time but Vargas changing her twitter account puts periods to the writing. Vargas was a solid host and none of the issues with the reboot with AMW were her fault. IMO, the biggest problem was people wanted John Walsh and no one else for it. Throw in the clunky tech roll out and you have a recipe for a show that will get low ratings. It's a shame too, considering even in the small window it had they got several captures which shows the power AMW and other shows like it still have. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 9, 2022 18:36:52 GMT -5
To be fair, I will say one thing that wasn't AMW's fault and that's that it was put on Monday nights. I don't think it was even the other network competition, as much as AMW to me has always been a weekend show and just didn't feel right on Mondays. But there were other things that showed me they didn't think the reboot through and some things piss me off in retrospect: -The involvement of Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace has always been controversial in the true crime community, but she has been especially controversial in the AMW community. This was yet another example of TPTB not respecting AMW's history or the fans. I understand she only hosted an after show, but you'd think they'd know about her history with Elizabeth Smart and Melinda Duckett. They obviously didn't do their research here. If they knew their fan history, they'd know Grace is generally unpopular in the AMW fan community. -Maybe it makes sense they hired Nancy Grace since they sensationalized/sexualized some stories. (They made Shelley Godwin appear sexier than in the original AMW re-enactment while they showed the actress playing Krystal Mitchell's bare midriff in the Raymond McLeod re-enactment). As if that's bad enough, check out this podcast with AMW producer John Ferracane last year, where he refers to the McLeod manhunt as a "pretty juicy story": (starts at 31:42, after 50:45 is when Ferracane previews the segment as a "juicy story") podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmxvZ3RhbGtyYWRpby5jb20vdGVsZXZpc2VkL3BvZGNhc3Q/episode/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ibG9ndGFsa3JhZGlvLmNvbS90ZWxldmlzZWQvMjAyMS8wNC8wNS90b21vcnJvdy13aWxsLWJlLXRlbGV2aXNlZC1rdW5nLWZ1YW1lcmljYXMtbW9zdC13YW50ZWQtZXBpc29kZQ?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwj7rrSSm-zvAhVPRjABHXM5DEYQieUEegQIAxAF&ep=6It's not so much that I'm a prude and find it offensive as much as it shows the new AMW producers looked at the show from a journalistic "juicy story" making headlines/sensationalism angle and didn't realize the public service angle. Krystal Mitchell's family was upset at her being categorized as McLeod's girlfriend in the media, I'm not saying this to criticize them but as pakman pointed out, if two people are dating, they are by technical definition a couple. It doesn't mean McLeod ever loved her, and in a spiritual/metapohorical sense, he was never a boyfriend but in journalism terms you can't say "next intended victim of murder" for someone who hasn't been convicted (even though I think McLeod is obviously guilty in my opinion and a danger to both men and women), and it also would be a sort of out of category/not technically proper journalistic headline. (If a husband murders his wife, then he was really never her husband as far as I'm concerned, but unfortunately on paper he technically was, same thing, I understand, but the media has to go by technical facts). I understand them being upset at Krystal being called girlfriend, but they'd probably be even more upset her case was referred to as a "juicy story" by AMW's own executive producer if they ever found out. -Bragging that they caught their first capture faster than John Walsh caught his. You can't seriously compare a video segment breaking news carjacker who had only been on the run for a month to David James Roberts, who had been a fixture on the FBI Most Wanted list before JW and crew caught him within the week. -The four fugitives caught in five weeks also overrated. Dent was an afterthought they got lucky with since he happened to be a known suspect in a video segment. And Gracey and Jones count as one capture so it's three cases in five weeks. Then you have Maurice Nesbitt who another show (In Pursuit) also took credit for. Although I hate to say it as much as I am a much bigger fan for personal and tv watching enjoyment reasons for In Pursuit- I do feel AMW deserves more credit for Nesbitt- I can't imagine it's coincidence he was caught after the AMW airing and the person who sent in the tip had to be because they saw the show and not IP's Facebook posting. That's not saying IP doesn't also deserve credit, as it does seem like the person possibly tipped AMW and In Pursuit. Just it seems it was probably because they saw the AMW airing. -Not appreciating your grand theft auto graphics had nothing to do with your captures. -Once again, ignoring the capture count even after I tried to correct them multiple times. I'll throw a mulligan- if they get rid of Nancy Grace maybe I'll welcome it back with open arms, but I'm sorry, the captures were great and I'm forever grateful for them, especially the captures of Gracey and Jones,but while there needs to be an AMW kind of show on network tv again or even Netflix but this current version of AMW wasn't it, I'm sorry to say. It is a shame since the first episode was actually pretty good, but then it deteriorated and my initial instincts were unfortunately proven correct. Some edits in 2024: - it’s doing well on Mondays now so maybe it was just John Walsh and Cal were simply needed after all. -Not that we can’t be above criticism but Ferracane is the producer of this new season of AMW and I find it very tastefully done. We all have slips of the tongue from time to time and I think he truly cares about the cases. I apologize if I was too harsh in that critique. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 9, 2022 19:11:35 GMT -5
My honest opinion, is that AMW 2.0 won’t be coming back and it’s not surprising why it won’t be.
The original AMW had success because of what it was then, it had an incredible host, the format was amazing for the time (late 80s to early 2010s before social media blew up in 2011/12), and it was a public service tool, not this crap of “wanting a juicy story” or anything like that.
The reason the show didn’t work in 2021 and why won’t work anymore is a combination of many things
The first is that John Walsh wasn’t the host and there’s some people that can only see him in this position and not anyone else despite in my personal opinion, that Liz Vargas did really well, but If AMW is going to do well in 2022, they either need to get John Walsh back or scrap the host aspect and just have someone who talks tough in the law enforcement community do narrating while doing segments, in the same tone as someone like Walsh and the late John Langley.
The other part is that AMW was great until the early 2010s for a reason, and it’s because all the cable networks and big shows during this era all went on the decline, regardless of which genre, I mean in that era my favorite channel was Nickelodeon and that channel and several of the big shows in that era went on a decline around 2012/2014 and I haven’t watched it since 2014. This fact is due to streaming services and social media getting really big during this time, I spent more time watching YouTube after 2015 than actual T.V., unless AMW in name and format become a YouTube channel or a show that is streamed on streaming networks, I don’t see it working out well in 2022 sadly being aired on television.
Also another point is that, because of YouTube and the absence of AMW, there’s a ton of people on Youtube who talk about true crime, and have podcast and commentary formatted videos that discuss different cases, so if AMW were to become a YT channel, it would have a pretty crowded field as well.
My honest, brutally honest opinion is that, as much as I miss the old AMW and was somewhat happy about 2.0, and I do want to the show to fully return one day in the form of the original AMW, it realistically it won’t work out today given the circumstances and it’s best to leave this show as a relic of the past and many of our pasts, and for now we have In Pursuit which is something, and it makes me appreciate that show a lot because it’s the only show of its kind at the moment, similarly to how AMW was in its prime.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 9, 2022 19:22:52 GMT -5
My honest opinion, is that AMW 2.0 won’t be coming back and it’s not surprising why it won’t be. The original AMW had success because of what it was then, it had an incredible host, the format was amazing for the time (late 80s to early 2010s before social media blew up in 2011/12), and it was a public service tool, not this crap of “wanting a juicy story” or anything like that. The reason the show didn’t work in 2021 and why won’t work anymore is a combination of many things The first is that John Walsh wasn’t the host and there’s some people that can only see him in this position and not anyone else despite in my personal opinion, that Liz Vargas did really well, but If AMW is going to do well in 2022, they either need to get John Walsh back or scrap the host aspect and just have someone who talks tough in the law enforcement community do narrating while doing segments, in the same tone as someone like Walsh and the late John Langley. The other part is that AMW was great until the early 2010s for a reason, and it’s because all the cable networks and big shows during this era all went on the decline, regardless of which genre, I mean in that era my favorite channel was Nickelodeon and that channel and several of the big shows in that era went on a decline around 2012/2014 and I haven’t watched it since 2014. This fact is due to streaming services and social media getting really big during this time, I spent more time watching YouTube after 2015 than actual T.V., unless AMW in name and format become a YouTube channel or a show that is streamed on streaming networks, I don’t see it working out well in 2022 sadly being aired on television. Also another point is that, because of YouTube and the absence of AMW, there’s a ton of people on Youtube who talk about true crime, and have podcast and commentary formatted videos that discuss different cases, so if AMW were to become a YT channel, it would have a pretty crowded field as well. My honest, brutally honest opinion is that, as much as I miss the old AMW and was somewhat happy about 2.0, and I do want to the show to fully return one day in the form of the original AMW, it realistically it won’t work out today given the circumstances and it’s best to leave this show as a relic of the past and many of our pasts, and for now we have In Pursuit which is something, and it makes me appreciate that show a lot because it’s the only show of its kind at the moment, similarly to how AMW was in its prime. All good points, the only thing I might respectfully disagree with is while I know I've said a thousand times it wasn't Elizabeth Vargas's fault, I do think what would make AMW 3.0 work in this new century for crime shows (or you could argue it would technically be 4.0 by now lol) is if it came back with Walsh's team behind it, and Callahan hosting it. Vargas wasn't Walsh, but the thing is the general public would have had a hard time with anyone who wasn't John or Callahan. For example, Katie Couric who I also feel is an excellent journalist, or like Matt Gutman, who also hosted 20/20 on ABC and is also a good journalist to use a male example, I think they would have done just an excellent a job, and the show's ratings would have still suffered because it wasn't John Walsh and/or John Walsh-affiliated. Vargas just happened to be the unlucky recipient of "insert literally anyone not named John Walsh here". (I will say I do think Vargas deserves to host some sort of fugitive show even if it isn't AMW in the future, sorry if it sounds like I'm going out of my way to defend her and I've already defended her 5,000 times already. It's not that I'm trying too hard to not sound sexist or whatever, I honestly believed she was pretty much one of the only things about the reboot that worked, regardless of her gender heritage etc.. so I do want to advocate for her possibly chasing fugitives in the future.) |
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Post by pakman on Apr 10, 2022 17:39:07 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it again - I wish they would have had John Walsh record a message that they played on that first episode. Surely everybody would have been fine with him doing that. Have him say something like this:
"Good evening. I'm John Walsh. For 25 years, we teamed up to put away more than 1,200 dangerous fugitives and bring home more than 50 missing children, all while fighting for victims' rights. We had a great partnership, and I am so proud of all the work that we did together. Now, America's Most Wanted is back, but unfortunately, I won't be able to join you this time around. But while I can't be with you, my good friend Elizabeth Vargas has stepped up to the plate and will be leading the new manhunt. I trust Elizabeth and know that she will do a fantastic job with the manhunt. I hope you all welcome Elizabeth with open arms. Thank you all so much for what you've done and what you will continue to do. And remember, you can make a difference."
I think that would have gone a really long way towards quieting the critics. And yes, it wouldn't have helped all the other issues with AMW (really bad writing, questionable reenactment choices, overloading the show with cold cases and, let's be frank, many caught on tape segments that really were not worthy of being on AMW in the first place) but at least the "Where's John Walsh?" crowd would either have been silenced or they wouldn't have been as loud.
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The Mad TV slot (back when it was still on Fox).
