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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 18, 2021 9:43:41 GMT -5
Actually I just had a wild realization- this is just me pontificating- although every time I do this it backfires on me and a suggestion turns into an actual rumor.
Disney now owns Fox's entertainment division (albeit not Fox itself).
In the past AMW moving to another major broadcast network seemed impossible because Fox owned the rights to the show, logo name etc..
However, I've read rumors about Fox shows such as Family Guy possibly leaving for ABC now that Disney owns the entertainment aspect.
Considering Elizabeth Vargas's ABC roots, I wonder if it would be at all possible that if Fox doesn't renew AMW, it moves to ABC?
This would have never been possible 10 years ago, but now we have the Disney aspect.
I realize criminals wanted for murder and Disney seem like an odd match, but I'm not suggesting AMW is aired on Disney Plus alongside Lizzie Maguire reruns, just ABC itself which ironically has Vargas's old show of 20/20.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 18, 2021 10:08:30 GMT -5
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Post by pakman on Apr 19, 2021 0:39:19 GMT -5
The whole "Obama is to blame for canceling AMW" especially makes no sense when he was interviewed by John Walsh in 2010 for the "1,000th Episode" and talked about the importance of building up the capacity of the U.S. Marshals.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 19, 2021 5:43:43 GMT -5
I saw Elizabeth Vargas once again tweet "hopefully later this year" at someone wondering when new episodes will air. I would think she wouldn't be that optimistic if things were totally bleak. One thing I think we can also factor in is sometimes networks don't care about as ratings as much as how cheap the show is to produce. It's ratings relative to if they are losing money or not. Seeing how AMW is now an in-studio show, even though the avatars are cool and high-tech I don't think they really cost much. So it is possible AMW is renewed simply because it's cheap filler when there would be otherwise reruns. That isn't meant as an insult, just it's trying to give us some hope.  We can't expect new AMW to get the ratings it did when there were less channels and competition, but hopefully the ratings aren't that bad and there can be a string of summer or off-season nights where Fox can say "well we were only going to air reruns of Hell's Kitchen anyway, might as well air AMW and catch some bad guys since it would get the same (or hopefully better) ratings." |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 19, 2021 10:21:00 GMT -5
In a potentially good sign, Fox is going to show a rerun of the second episode of AMW on Saturday May 1st at 11 PM, so it does seem they are attempting repeats, like they should have done with the first version of AMW (AMW on Lifetime had a lot of captures off reruns once they introduced the concept of reruns), to get more chances at a capture. And with Maurice Nesbitt captured whether AMW can claim credit or not, it once again reinforces how important the show is. I want to stress the reason I've been upset at the lack of interaction from the new show (so far at least) isn't because I'm getting an ego trip but because A) I have so many people who have joined this forum that need help and I'd like to help them get their cases on and B) I'd like them to see our suggestions so they can improve the show and/or take things into consideration, especially with all the articles about how their ratings could be better. I don't need any recognition or praise, it admittedly is always flattering to get compliments but I'd rather help get captures, and I want to make sure the show stays on the air for good this time. www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Scoop-Coming-Up-on-a-Rebroadcast-of-AMERICAS-MOST-WANTED-on-FOX-Saturday-May-1-2021-20210419 |
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Post by ninja108 on Apr 19, 2021 12:11:20 GMT -5
The whole "Obama is to blame for canceling AMW" especially makes no sense when he was interviewed by John Walsh in 2010 for the "1,000th Episode" and talked about the importance of building up the capacity of the U.S. Marshals. It's just another way for idiots to blame a black man who dared to become U.S. President for something bad happening. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 19, 2021 19:11:15 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I put my money where my mouth was and tweeted at Fox to please renew AMW. We can have In Pursuit and AMW and have our cake and eat it too if at all possible!
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 20, 2021 11:12:41 GMT -5
Last night with no AMW but the return of 911 and 911: Lone Star, Fox WON Monday night in the ratings among the four broadcast networks. This once again unfortunately doesn't look good- we kept blaming Fox for putting AMW up against American Idol and then its' replacement did BETTER than American Idol and other shows AMW couldn't beat either. I'm not saying this to be mean. I want AMW to return and I want to be on a night more suited for it. I just didn't want to sugar coat anything. programminginsider.com/monday-ratings-the-return-of-9-1-1-and-9-1-1-lone-star-leads-fox-to-victory/ |
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Post by ninja108 on Apr 20, 2021 13:58:02 GMT -5
Last night with no AMW but the return of 911 and 911: Lone Star, Fox WON Monday night in the ratings among the four broadcast networks. This once again unfortunately doesn't look good- we kept blaming Fox for putting AMW up against American Idol and then its' replacement did BETTER than American Idol and other shows AMW couldn't beat either. I'm not saying this to be mean. I want AMW to return and I want to be on a night more suited for it. I just didn't want to sugar coat anything. programminginsider.com/monday-ratings-the-return-of-9-1-1-and-9-1-1-lone-star-leads-fox-to-victory/ I think folks wanted AMW with John Walsh and when they didn't get it, they tuned out. To your other point, you're not being mean at all, you're being honest. The ratings for AMW sucked and it's not a good sign when other shows do better in a time slot then another. I hope they give it another shot but I won't be shocked if they don't. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 20, 2021 14:25:52 GMT -5
Yeah I understand the argument ratings don't mean jack if there's captures but unfortunately in the capitalist world we live in it's the opposite. We basically want Fox to judge AMW by a different standard than every other show but unfortunately it doesn't work like that.
We see they can still catch some bad guys, but unfortunately not enough people are tuning in.
And yeah despite the excellent job I felt Vargas has done, I did feel that it would be a problem that there was no Walsh connection. I think Elizabeth Smart would have been met with less skepticism... I thought she was the perfect host and was kind of disappointed she wasn't picked tbh Or Tom Morris although there is the Live PD controversy. It's not Vargas's fault, just some people weren't going to watch if it wasn't John Walsh or at least someone associated with John Walsh.
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Post by TheWebDetective on Apr 24, 2021 0:54:31 GMT -5
I'd like to add on Scumhunter's and pakman's comments about the show. With the episodes I've seen so far, I honestly found the show to be great and Vargas' role great as well with no needed improvements. I believe it's not fundamentally different from the Walsh era at all. I strongly believe that the show just suffers from a catch 22 and how they brought back the show. The show itself as the final product is fine. But I just think some executive looked at the true crime and reboot trend or saw the relative success of the UM revival and thought bringing back AMW was a good idea to cash in, making the appearance this was done haphazardly and without care. Plus the advertising and timeslot didn't do it favors.
Speaking of UM, as much as I hate to compare the shows, you have to admit UM has the more dedicated fanbase. They manage to bring back the show itself but have old episodes in full posted on YouTube. Not mentioning the numerous times fans posted old segments and episodes on YouTube before. Whereas AMW fans can only settle for promos and incomplete segments. Many of them can't crack 100k in views. We don't even have a wiki. Plus I doubt demand by any old fans was a factor in the AMW revival. AMW was just as much popular and impactful as UM, one can argue moreso. But I guess over the years AMW viewers just moved on whereas UM fans stuck to their guns. Plus as much as we like to lean on dye in the wool so called "Walsh Fans", previous comments indicate they were Fairweather at best. Otherwise, where were they when the show got cancelled in the first place let alone migrating to Wash's other shows. So when you bring back as show few had remembered in years or never heard of at all, you're stuck with a show finding an audience.
I lastly refer to my comments on the Hunt. In that we now live in a new media landscape from even when the Walsh era AMW was last aired. It's not like the concept is unpopular. Just that the format AMW had is either outdated or not appealing to today's TV viewing public. Which is why I said this shouldn't be your dad's AMW. The lack of opposition to it's 2011 cancelation like what happened when it first got cancelled n 1996 should be an indicator. Even if they brought Walsh in for a callback or had him host again full stop, I doubt it will make much of a difference. They already canceled the show under Walsh and they can do it again. I don't know about AMW's fate but let this be a lesson in how to bring back a show like this.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 24, 2021 1:27:03 GMT -5
Yeah I have also complained about people who disappeared after AMW got cancelled in 2011/two years later only to come back as if they've always been dedicated.
And I also want to stress that I like the new AMW overall, just that I felt the subsequent episodes were a bit of a step down from the debut episode when in theory you'd think a good start would only get better.
But yeah I think we are all in agreement that we LIKED the new AMW even if some of us liked it more than others, just that unfortunately the "average" fan isn't tuning in.
So it's a catch-22 right now. The fundamentals of the show still work- fugitives are still getting captured- ironically it's done a better job at solving cases than the new Unsolved Mysteries despite UM being more popular (Although at only one case an episode and some not technically unsolved cases but supernatural or undetermined death cases it's understandable)- but the viewers aren't tuning in overall unfortunately.
And yeah me and Pakman have privately mentioned to each other that all of us- even ourselves- had moved on after AMW 1.0's final cancellation by Lifetime/Fox. Even I had moved on, and while I still missed AMW, I felt satisfied by In Pursuit (besides wanting there to be more than 12 episodes a year).
And yeah I've admitted here also UM definitely had a more loyal fan base.
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Post by pakman on Apr 24, 2021 11:30:40 GMT -5
I think the reason UM had such a bigger fanbase is because it wasn't just fugitives and unsolved crimes. You had cases like the Baskins (children abducted by their grandparents - to my knowledge AMW never aired the case) that fans got together to talk about and speculate on. They had episodes on psychics like Sylvia Browne and James van Praagh. They had alien abductions (which personally make me roll my eyes and is the reason my parents stopped watching UM). They had ghost stories, which, whether you believe in ghosts or not, made for an interesting story. I watched an episode a couple months ago about buried gold lost somewhere in California. Yeah, UM tried to solve the mysteries, but they presented it in more of a "story" format than AMW did. I feel like UM fans are the ones responsible for getting interest in true crime podcasts off the ground, and with all the web sleuths out there.
Another advantage UM had was that they repeated episodes. AMW, as we all know, almost never aired reruns. And in the case of the Fox episodes, when one did rerun, there was at least one alteration to the episode, making it not a true rerun. The break-four tease was replaced, or a captured fugitive was replaced with one still at large. In AMW's case, once you saw an episode, unless you had it recorded, stinks for you because you'll never see it again. I lucked out in that I have nearly every episode from March 2002-October 2012 in an archive, but that's extremely rare.
And going back to the JW fans, as you mentioned, how many of them were regular viewers? How many people watched it because John called these fugitives "creeps," "scumbags," "cowards," "perverts" and any other name he called them? Elizabeth's not going to do that because she's not a crime victim; she's a journalist, and saying that would violate journalistic ethics. John could get away with that because he was a crime victim. And even then, he still toned down his rhetoric as the show went on. I remember seeing a later profile of Robert Fisher where John said, "If Fisher really did commit the crimes he's accused of, then he truly is a monster." Because, like it or not, even though Fisher has been charged with his crime, he's not been convicted, so, legally, he's innocent.
One more thing I'd like to add; I've complained so much about AMW 2.0's writing. Well, I rewatched the premiere yesterday, and I realized something; the writing was much, much better! Instead of saying, "If you saw Glen Godwin in June 1988, or if you know what he was doing back then," she said, "We'll return to Glen Godwin's story in a moment, but first, here's a breaking news case we need your help with." That's much better writing! It's like they tried to make the first episode as much like classic AMW as they could, but then began taking liberties once the series continued because, for lack of a better term, they wanted to hook people in before they went onward.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 1, 2021 0:36:14 GMT -5
Speaking of repeats, a reminder that an encore presentation of episode 2 of AMW 2.0 will be airing tonight at 11 PM ET on Fox.
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Post by pakman on May 1, 2021 7:42:42 GMT -5
^ Now this I'm intrigued by, since they're reairing it on a Friday night. Not only was that the day Lifetime on AMW aired, but at one point in Fox AMW's history it aired on Friday night as well (at least I'm pretty sure it did - Saturday, Sunday, and, for some strange reason, Tuesday, were all days AMW aired). Curious to see how this goes.
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