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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 31, 2021 22:24:36 GMT -5
I want to stress that I am in agreement Fox didn't sabotage AMW and I was actually trying to clarify that since I felt the thread was possibly taking a turn towards accidentally indicating that. So yeah Fox didn't sabotage AMW on purpose, they just accidentally did by being idiots.  |
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Post by ninja108 on Apr 1, 2021 13:41:29 GMT -5
I don't think they wrecked it on purpose, as you don't put all that time and money into a show to watch it fail.
They did miscalculate though and I hope they give it a shot in a better time slot.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 1, 2021 17:34:10 GMT -5
I am glad we are in agreement they didn't wreck it on purpose. Just wanted to make sure we didn't go down that path. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 2, 2021 22:37:30 GMT -5
If AMW doesn’t work out on FOX, what’s everyone’s opinion on AMW being on ID? They could be out of season when John Walsh does In Pursuit and AMW can come back to fill the 8/9 month gap when the Walshes aren’t on. Perhaps maybe there’s some flexibility to get a Possible AMW on ID to a Friday or Saturday night slot.
This make a moot point of what I said about changing AMW over to a new channel, But about AMW’s poor ratings, I feel like it’s nobody’s fault here, except the times are changing. Since 2014, people have been getting rid of Cable T.V. and even the big T.V. Networks have seen a decline for years now because Online Streaming is the way everything is done now.
Bringing AMW 2.0 into the fold in 2021, at a time when the world has been moving on from Television for 6 or 7 years now, was sadly not the brightest idea, ratings are very low for television in general, and I admit the only time I watch television is if Deadliest Catch and In Pursuit are in season, other than that, I don’t watch T.V.
I feel like AMW should be independent from networks as a whole, and should stream live on YouTube in order to get a more broader audience, I just don’t see the cable T.V. route working out going forward.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 2, 2021 23:49:44 GMT -5
I really wish Netflx would show reruns of In Pursuit as even though they've had incredible success they'd do even better there imo (although the Discovery plus app seems to be popular and a good start). (By even better I mean not that the show would do better on Netflix than ID but that they'd get additional captures, they need to stay on ID, just also be on Netflix, wanted to make sure the ID channel knows that's what I meant ) The reason I don't criticize In Pursuit as much isn't just because I have a personal relationship with them but the show is pretty flawless in it's format and telling of stories. The Hunt had it's flaws and In Pursuit basically fixed them by making sure there's at least two cases an episode with the short 15 seconds of shame and missing child segments mixed in. If I had any critique of In Pursuit it would be, much like AMW, the first season had a bit too many cold cases, much like the new AMW and they dumped most of them on Callahan too. John Walsh pretty much admitted as such and in previews for the second season and in previews said he was disappointed the first season didn't capture more fugitives so the second season would have a lot more recent cases. It paid off, they had a lot more captures, and Callahan proved he was just as capable as his dad at catching bad guys when given cases that weren't from 1996. The problem of course is even though In Pursuit is awesome there is a gap in the off-season. We were hoping the new AMW would fill in that gap but unfortunately the ratings are not making things look too hopeful. As a matter of fact I'm going to cut back on the criticism of the new AMW a bit because I feel like I'm kicking them when they're down. The reason I've been so critical lately isn't because I don't like the show but because I see the ratings are disappointing and I want to offer them suggestions if they miraculously get a second season, like here's how you don't squander a second opportunity. (Of course Fox needs to put the show on a better night as well). The show has its flaws but overall it's a good start. But I don't want to make it look like I hate the show when I don't. Just I know this sounds egotistical of me, but I really feel I could improve the show and all of us could improve the show if they asked for my/our input. I think network tv is still popular as people still watch via antennas and dishes and streaming services like YouTube TV, AT&,T TV etc... The problem with putting an AMW type show on say Netflix is the breaking news aspect. Netflix had a talk show from Chelsea Handler that was live once but other than that it's mostly pre-planned scripted programming. So I'm not sure how that would work. The new Unsolved Mysteries was a hit on Netflix. It wasn't like "Stranger Things" type huge but it was popular enough to get renewed. So yeah AMW on Netflix or a similar type show might work best. Or the best idea, have John and Cal do In Pursuit for 12 weeks and I'll host another show on ID/continue In Pursuit part 2 with the same production company for another 12. (Joking ok well only half-kidding but still kidding  |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 2, 2021 23:51:02 GMT -5
Also as far as Netflix and In Pursuit I think there are some ID channel shows on Netflix but they'd probably ask for an exorbitant amount of money plus I'm sure Discovery would rather the show be exclusive to their streaming app service plus that they want to promote.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 5, 2021 18:28:26 GMT -5
FoxFlash is out with the details for the April 12th episode. It is being referenced as the "season finale" and I want to comment on that after I mention what fugitives will be on that episode. Maurice Nesbitt: Convicted in absentia of the 2014 murder of his girlfriend, Rashawn Jackson. Maurice has also been profiled on In Pursuit. amwfans.com/thread/6105/maurice-nesbitt-georgia-2017Josephine Overaker: Wanted since 2006 on multiple counts of arson in relation to animal rights activism. amwfans.com/thread/1808/josephine-overaker-oregon-2006John Ruffo: Fraudster who has been wanted since the late 1990s and is one of the US Marshals 15 Most Wanted fugitives. amwfans.com/thread/58/john-ruffo-virginia-1998-marshalswww.foxflash.com/releases/view/week-of-apr-11-18-2021Now that we have that covered, let's address the fact that this is the "season finale". Before everyone starts panicking since there's only been five episodes so far, it is not being referenced as the "series finale". I understand we do have to consider that unfortunately with the low ratings. However, there could be an explanation for this. Perhaps they may plan to move the show to a different day and time slot soon where there isn't as much competition from other shows. Or perhaps the contract was only for five episodes in the first season to see how the show will do. We will just need to get more information on this. As far as the main cases for episode five, I'm only really optimistic for Maurice Nesbitt to be a likely capture compared to Overaker and Ruffo. Not saying the latter two fugitives can't be captured as well, I'm just saying it will be harder to do so. Since RJ McLeod was added to the Marshals List hours before his AMW 2.0 airing tonight, I feel like the FBI will do the same tactic and place Josephine Sunshine Overaker, Maurice Nesbitt, or we’ll have to wait a few more weeks to see which fugitives they’ll air to have an idea who could be the next Top 10 addition. However I’m more likely leaning towards Overaker being added as the FBI may want to focus on domestic terrorism. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 5, 2021 18:42:07 GMT -5
I'd rather discuss that in the FBI general discussion thread except to say I doubt Overaker would be added since not excusing it but there's no real victims in her alleged crimes that I know of. That's not to say people couldn't have died- but no one did. Not to mention they generally put terrorists into their own category now.
I think McLeod was just coincidental timing- AMW had been planning to air his case for a very long time- and next week will be a "regular" season finale with no special announcements.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 5, 2021 20:03:36 GMT -5
Apparently the Dimitrions are being aired tonight instead. Not sure what this means for Frederick Arias.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 5, 2021 20:13:35 GMT -5
Apparently the Dimitrions are being aired tonight instead. Not sure what this means for Frederick Arias. Likely be rescheduled for another week? |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 5, 2021 20:19:12 GMT -5
Apparently the Dimitrions are being aired tonight instead. Not sure what this means for Frederick Arias. Likely be rescheduled for another week? That would mean Nesbitt Overaker or Ruffo won't air so I'd rather wait until next week. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 5, 2021 21:23:30 GMT -5
OK best episode so far in my opinion. I know I said I was going to cut back on the criticism but two things did bother me to where I felt I couldn't not mention it:
-The Ray McLeod re-enactment, they showed actors playing McLeod and Krysal Mitchell at a gun range being physically affectionate with each other. It seemed they purposely zoomed in towards the actress playing Krystal's midsection. I'm not a prude or "cancel culture" kind of guy usually, but I felt it was kind of tasteless that I felt they were sexualizing a murder victim. I know they might not have meant it. But it's a constructive criticism I felt I couldn't hold in.
-They referenced Krystal as McLeod's "girlfriend." I saw a posting from Angels of Justice a few years ago that they wished media sites stopped referring her to as girlfriend, as she was really his next intended victim of murder. I saw that posting and edited (unless there was anything copied and pasted from articles that I couldn't do anything about) every reference to girlfriend on the site. It's disappointing actual AMW couldn't do the same. And it's disappointing literally every media site besides us- including Crime Watch Daily/True Crime Daily and others continues to say girlfriend even after that posting. I don't get why they can't when we can.
Other than those two things, I'll say this was the best episode of the new season, recent cases (once again I don't mind cold cases but don't overload on them), good information etc...
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Post by pakman on Apr 6, 2021 12:36:30 GMT -5
RE: the girlfriend. Unfortunately, factually, if they were dating, that makes them a couple. I'm not disagreeing with what's being said, but legally they probably can't say, "She was his next intended victim," because he hasn't been convicted. I can imagine a lawyer going crazy over that. I completely understand what the family is saying (I had to deal with a case when I was a reporter where a woman was involved in the death of her friend, and the family wanted us to stop saying they were friends - but it's the truth. They were friends.) I sympathize with that, but you also can't just ignore the facts of a case.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 9, 2021 19:54:28 GMT -5
Touched on this on the possible direct capture of Alison Gracey and Christopher Jones- as it presents an interesting dilemma for Fox after this Monday's season finale- balancing the good the show has done in it's return vs. the fact the ratings just aren't there to justify renewal if this were any other show but AMW. I realize I'm literally repeating myself but I figured I'd copy and paste what I told canineunit89 in the thread about the capture of Gracey and Jones:
"I don't understand why we're bashing "ratings people." Once again, not to sound condescending in my explanation but "ratings" are not reviews of the show- most of the reviews for the new AMW have been generally positive. No one is saying "the new show sucks" in the media. Ratings are the amount of people who watched the show, and AMW has been consistently coming in fourth place among the big four seven-day prime time networks with terrible 18-49 demographic ratings.
No one is saying the show sucks. I've enjoyed it overall even though it has some flaws that can be improved with more experience. It's that people aren't watching like they used to.
Some, including myself, have argued that AMW is a public service show and it shouldn't be about ratings.
So Fox will have a difficult decision on their hands. I'm not saying this to be mean but if this were ANY OTHER show but AMW it would not be renewed for a second season based on the Nielsen ratings this seasojn. This is a fact, it's not a bashing or anything. It's unfortunately how the real world works, AMW could capture Jason Brown Robert Fisher and Alexis Flores in a week but if not enough people are watching for the advertising/money aspect it unfortunately possibly wouldn't matter... this is a capitalist country whether we like it or not.
However, others and myself are hoping Fox will see the good AMW has done in its' return and give it a second chance, more specifically move it to a night with less competition, and preferably the weekend just like old times, where it has a better chance of increasing ratings.
I'm hoping it's the latter, but we shall see."
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 10, 2021 19:18:38 GMT -5
It doesn't necessarily spell doom but after this Monday's season finale of AMW- it is not moving to another day as some of us had hoped at least for the next week. Additionally, there is no mention of the show being brought back for the summer as Fox has released its' summer schedule. I'll admit the ratings are disappointing, and of course our hope is Fox considers the good the show has done, but once again for better or worse, we're a capitalist country. So we'll see. And once again, not to sound overly condescending or explaining the obvious but 'ratings' are not reviews of how good or bad the show is or "ranking" the quality of captures, but the amount of people who watched the show. www.foxflash.com/releases/view/week-of-apr-18-25-2021www.foxflash.com/releases/view/food-music-competition-fox-announces-summer-2021-schedule |
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