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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 12, 2021 14:59:53 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 12, 2021 22:18:50 GMT -5
Well that's it for the season finale.
-Maurice Nesbitt segment was good. Pretty much almost exactly the same as In Pursuit, except they mention specifically he may be in West Palm Beach, Florida.
-Josephine Overaker segment was unnecessarily long in my opinion. I honestly thought the segment was over and then they came back (tbh, that's been a few cases this season). This is what they need to realize- is that not every case needs to have two segments
-Frederick Arias was good and interesting that they interviewed his son, who was also a victim of his alleged financial fraud.
And yeah the elephant in the room, Elizabeth Vargas at the end mentioned about how in the past five weeks they captured three fugitives and showed a brief photo montage of some still on the run and how they still need your/our help but there was no mention about when- or I'm sorry to say- if- they're coming back.
Once again- ratings-wise, the numbers aren't there, but we're hoping Fox also takes a look at the good the show has done.
To be honest, even though the first episode was amazing, I felt the subsequent episodes were a roller coaster trajectory, some were better than others, I don't find it a coincidence that Alison Gracey and Christopher Jones as the case that I felt was the most well done as far as the appealing to the emotions of the audience was the only full-segment direct capture so far, but whatever needs to be worked out can be improved with experience.
Now we wait and see.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 12, 2021 22:29:20 GMT -5
Well that's it for the season finale. -Maurice Nesbitt segment was good. Pretty much almost exactly the same as In Pursuit, except they mention specifically he may be in West Palm Beach, Florida. -Josephine Overaker segment was unnecessarily long in my opinion. I honestly thought the segment was over and then they came back (tbh, that's been a few cases this season). This is what they need to realize- is that not every case needs to have two segments -Frederick Arias was good and interesting that they interviewed his son, who was also a victim of his alleged financial fraud. And yeah the elephant in the room, Elizabeth Vargas at the end mentioned about how in the past five weeks they captured three fugitives and showed a brief photo montage of some still on the run and how they still need your/our help but there was no mention about when- or I'm sorry to say- if- they're coming back. Once again- ratings-wise, the numbers aren't there, but we're hoping Fox also takes a look at the good the show has done. To be honest, even though the first episode was amazing, I felt the subsequent episodes were a roller coaster trajectory, some were better than others, I don't find it a coincidence that Alison Gracey and Christopher Jones as the case that I felt was the most well done as far as the appealing to the emotions of the audience was the only full-segment direct capture so far, but whatever needs to be worked out can be improved with experience. Now we wait and see. IMO if they could have had Arias and Overakers focus time swapped, with Arias having 2 segments and they could go a lot deeper into his earlier life in order to find clues. Overaker’s segment was too long for the crime it was, but it was pretty interesting that they missed her when law enforcement ordered everyone off the bus which was bound for Portland, Oregon. Maurice Nesbitt’s segment was pretty good, i really hope they do get Nesbitt soon, I mean a convicted killer facing a life behind bars and no trial to look forward to he’ll feel desperate and be more likely to mess up. I’m going to say that Nesbitt is probably going to be the next AMW 2.0 that goes down.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 12, 2021 22:55:55 GMT -5
One thing I forgot to mention I thought the age-progression avatar of Josephine Overaker oddly actually made her look like Gloria Schulze but maybe its just me lol.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 13, 2021 11:56:15 GMT -5
And the numbers for the season finale are in... and they are unfortunately not good. AMW actually LOST viewers from last week despite having no March Madness to contend with... And 1.5 million is actually their lowest number of the season. Once again ratings are the amount of people who watched- not reviews or ranking the captures. If there's any saving grace I checked numbers for other Fox shows and I'm actually surprised at how many shows on Fox aren't doing so well or aren't as popular as I thought.. even the Simpsons Family Guy and Bob's Burgers for example I thought had better numbers. Granted, The Simpsons has pretty much established itself as getting to do whatever they want considering their legacy and Family Guy and Bob's Burgers make up for the ratings on Fox with additional viewers on cable. So Fox does seem to be a shell of itself overall with it's non-sports programming and there does seem to be a sense of letting less than ideal ratings slide if there's sentimentality for what it's worth. But yeah this isn't being said to be mean. The ratings are disappointing. All we can do now is wait and see what Fox does. www.thewrap.com/americas-most-wanted-finale-fox-revival-ratings-american-idol-the-voice/tvline.com/2021/04/13/tv-ratings-all-american-season-3-spring-premiere/
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2021 13:54:59 GMT -5
I don't know if it was an accident or not but Fox News did a story about the capture of Gracey and Jones and about Frederick Arias's son's pleas for his father to turn himself in- and in the caption they called it the "series" finale. I had been purposely ignoring the Nancy Grace aspect to the reboot, but figured I should mention this since since they did say "series" finale although I guess there's still a chance this was an error. www.foxnews.com/media/americas-most-wanted-reboot-two-captures-series-finale
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 15, 2021 1:16:47 GMT -5
Elizabeth Vargas has tweeted she hopes the show will be back.
Even though the ratings are disappointing and I have my gripes, I am hoping that A) Fox considers the good the show has done and that they put it against massive competition without a decent lead-in and B) That the show can improve and work on my/our gripes and improve if given a second chance.
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Post by ninja108 on Apr 16, 2021 23:53:47 GMT -5
Elizabeth Vargas has tweeted she hopes the show will be back. Even though the ratings are disappointing and I have my gripes, I am hoping that A) Fox considers the good the show has done and that they put it against massive competition without a decent lead-in and B) That the show can improve and work on my/our gripes and improve if given a second chance. Yup. I have to say based on what's happened so far it doesn't look good but hopefully they'll give it another chance. I say move it to a different time slot and see how it does.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 17, 2021 0:43:34 GMT -5
Elizabeth Vargas has tweeted she hopes the show will be back. Even though the ratings are disappointing and I have my gripes, I am hoping that A) Fox considers the good the show has done and that they put it against massive competition without a decent lead-in and B) That the show can improve and work on my/our gripes and improve if given a second chance. Yup. I have to say based on what's happened so far it doesn't look good but hopefully they'll give it another chance. I say move it to a different time slot and see how it does. And I am in agreement in a discussion I had with Pakman and HeadMarshal that they really need to hire someone from the old AMW as a consulting producer (I had even brought it up as a concern that they seemed to bring back absolutely nobody from the old show) or heck even one of us if they are given a second chance. It's frustrating in that after all my griping about how I felt the new show was ignoring this forum, someone from the new AMW finally joined but just two days before the season debut. Then I left my name and number with them and a producer was supposed to talk about the show with me and then they disappeared and no one ever contacted me again. It's disappointing because I really wanted to give them some advice. I don't know if it is the low ratings or if they got offended once they read this thread and saw our constructive criticisms (for goodness sake we want AMW to return, just have some ideas as to how improve it!) but I really wish they had sort of embraced the show's history a bit more rather than focusing on updating and modernizing it (which granted is also important but sometimes things that aren't broken don't need fixing). I hope Fox gives them a second chance, but I also hope they don't think the first season was perfect and nothing needs to be worked on.
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Post by pakman on Apr 17, 2021 23:08:16 GMT -5
I'm no expert when it comes to TV, but I imagine that every TV show, following its season finale, has a debrief. What worked, what went wrong, what can we do better next time, things like that. Because the network execs and the show's crew will want to know what happened, especially for a show like AMW where they were clearly gunning for it being big. I'm certain somebody from the show knows that this forum exists, and I'm sure multiple people do as well. They're going to want to know why the ratings didn't happen, especially if someone promised X amount of ratings and it didn't come anywhere near that.
In AMW's case, I'm betting they're going to look at why this show, which had such outrage at being canceled, did so poorly. I was just watching a YouTube video today where half the comments were, "Why was this show canceled?" with the comments being four months old and more recent. But you know what else all those comments said? They all mentioned John Walsh. And we can complain about everything all we want - the script, the choice of cases aired, the pacing - but I am willing to bet legitimate cash that the reason people aren't tuning in is because John Walsh isn't the host.
This is why, as I look back on the first episode, I wish they had gotten John to record a video message encouraging people to keep watching. I know he can't host, but surely he's allowed to make a 30-second video where he says, "Hello, America. I'm John Walsh, and for 25 years, I hosted America's Most Wanted. We made a great team, and thanks to your tips, we captured over 1,200 dangerous fugitives and reunited nearly 100 missing children with their loved ones. I am so happy that AMW is back, but I unfortunately am unable to join the new manhunt. But I don't want that to stop you from returning, and I'm happy to say that AMW is in good hands with a talented and respected journalist who, like me, has a passion for finding these creeps and bringing them to justice. It is my pleasure to introduce my good friend, and a champion for justice, Elizabeth Vargas." Because when I re-watched that first episode, the way they phrased it made it seem kind of unceremonious. "John Walsh hosted this show for so long and I'm honored to carry on that legacy." I think if people actually saw John giving AMW 2.0 his blessing, it would have gone a long way.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 17, 2021 23:54:27 GMT -5
It's rather ironic because as we said the ONLY part of the show we have no complaints about is Elizabeth Vargas as host. She did an excellent job considering the circumstances and the shoes she had to fill. It seems like unfortunately- unless it was Cal- some people are/were just not going to tune in if it's not John Walsh. If it had been Joe Schmoe, Katie Couric, etc... it wouldn't have mattered. They would have said the same thing.
Edit: just wanted to say I know they know about this forum- because a producer even joined. Just I'm peeved at their lack of interaction with us- especially compared to how In Pursuit interacts with us.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 17, 2021 23:55:37 GMT -5
Also should say this all may be a moot point considering the ratings but if Fox does give them a second chance I hope the show makes some changes (except KEEP Liz Vargas!) for the better.
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Post by pakman on Apr 18, 2021 8:55:23 GMT -5
Exactly. Keep Elizabeth Vargas, because I think she's done an amazing job, especially given the circumstances. That's why I think a video message from John Walsh would have done the show so much justice. I guarantee you these lay fans probably have no idea that John Walsh even has another crime-fighting show (I ended up replying to a lot of those YouTube comments saying, "He has a show on ID called In Pursuit with John Walsh and he used to have a show on CNN called The Hunt with John Walsh.") And I think that's the problem - really only dedicated fans know about what's been going on behind the scenes. Too many people in this world just do what people tell them (there were actually some people that believed that Barack Obama was the reason AMW got canceled in the first place - no, I'm not even joking. I remember Steve Katz tweeting about that to someone and saying it was completely untrue). We all know the reason; high production costs, likely (though never officially stated, to my knowledge) due to the fact that John kept trying to make the show the World's Most Wanted (that last full season alone, AMW went to Japan, Cambodia and Brazil, and I know I'm forgetting a couple - they went somewhere to track down the Pink Panthers, but I can't remember where it was).
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 18, 2021 9:30:29 GMT -5
Yeah I love John but the show did spend a lot of money the last two years on Fox. The irony is if they scaled back the way they did or were sort of forced to do for Lifetime, JW might still be hosting AMW now (or he would have retired and Cal took over by now).
But yeah a lot is (or was) people refusing to watch if it's not JW. Elizabeth Vargas just happened to be the unlucky recipient of this, she just happened to be the "insert name here". Any other person not a relative or former correspondent would have got the same reaction.
It is ironic though because as much as we complain about people not giving Vargas a chance, similar to what you said, I do have to admit I see the opposite type of viewer as well, who only watched AMW and have now came back after disappearing for eight years. I've seen requests to profile fugitives ALREADY CAUGHT. Yet they claim to be dedicated. I'll give them a mulligan if they didn't like The Hunt or didn't have cable but it's like where were these people helping to continue John's mission the past eight years when he was still on tv?
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 18, 2021 9:37:51 GMT -5
And yes you must have read my mind- I'm not joking I literally learned about the "AMW was cancelled in 2011 because Obama appeared" rumors this morning (I was trying to jog memory as to why AMW 1.0 was cancelled in 2011 and saw some articles).
People seem to forget that Fox entertainment/21st century. has always been the "liberal" division of Fox and a completely separate entity from Fox News
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