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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 15, 2021 1:17:53 GMT -5
Never thought I'd get to make this posting again!
On the old amw.com forum websites, pakman started a tradition where we'd make an "upcoming on AMW" thread for the upcoming seasons- where we'd share news/spoilers on what cases might be on upcoming episodes, themes of upcoming episodes etc...
Now that AMW is coming back, we can start this tradition again and I figure make an OFFICIAL thread where we share news on the new season as the other thread was simply our sharing the news that the show is coming back.
Here is what we know so far:
-The show will be returning on Monday, March 15th at 9 PM ET on Fox.
-Elizabeth Vargas, an emmy-award journalist who anchored Good Morning America, co-hosted 20/20, and hosted "A&E Investigates" will be the new host.
-Although John Walsh is now on the Investigation Discovery channel, he is expected to make cameo appearances if his contract permits.
-The show is expected to use updated graphics and 3-D technology.
-We know based on the previews AMW cold case fugitive Glen Godwin will once again be getting a profile.
More news to come- I'm sure!
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Post by HeadMarshal on Mar 5, 2021 14:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 5, 2021 20:35:10 GMT -5
I just realized I'd been posting in the AMW is back thread as opposed to this thread lol.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 5, 2021 22:15:37 GMT -5
Honestly this is the moment we’ve all been waiting for since 2012/2013 and it’s finally here ☺️. Almost
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Post by ninja108 on Mar 6, 2021 17:45:34 GMT -5
You wish had they had stayed on but what's done is done.
I'm just glad they're back now.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 8, 2021 0:12:43 GMT -5
Something interesting to point out about the first case selections by new AMW, is that these initial notorious fugitives like Glen Godwin, Larry Chism, and Eugene Palmer, are all 60 years old and over, on top of being more cold case focused.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 8, 2021 0:25:33 GMT -5
To be honest that is a concern of mine so far- while cold cases are interesting- you don't want to overdo them at the chance of sacrificing more solvable recent fugitive cases.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 8, 2021 0:46:04 GMT -5
To be honest that is a concern of mine so far- while cold cases are interesting- you don't want to overdo them at the chance of sacrificing more solvable recent fugitive cases. If AMWs season is going to be about 6-10 months long I’d let it slide assuming they start to dive into recent cases, but if we’re dealing with 2-3 months like The Hunt or In Pursuit, there’s more recent cases and younger cold case fugitives (Daniel Minh Suh and Cesar Castaneda) that deserve the time slot. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 8, 2021 0:54:00 GMT -5
To be honest that is a concern of mine so far- while cold cases are interesting- you don't want to overdo them at the chance of sacrificing more solvable recent fugitive cases. If AMWs season is going to be about 6-10 months long I’d let it slide assuming they start to dive into recent cases, but if we’re dealing with 2-3 months like The Hunt or In Pursuit, there’s more recent cases and younger cold case fugitives (Daniel Minh Suh and Cesar Castaneda) that deserve the time slot. Fair enough! |
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 9, 2021 12:04:55 GMT -5
Apparently Nancy Grace will host some sort of "overtime" show going over the show's cases on Fox's streaming service. Not a fan of Nancy Grace at all and I know a lot of us here aren't but at least it's just the aftershow and not the actual show. m.digitaljournal.com/pr/4999991 |
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 9, 2021 12:11:03 GMT -5
To be honest I'm actually extremely pissed new AMW is involving Nancy Grace considering the way she treated Elizabeth Smart. It's a tough pill to swallow but for the sake of getting justice for the victims' I'll swallow it. Just wish the new show runners would know their history and Grace's controversies with AMW-aired cases in the past (In addition to Elizabeth Smart, you also have Melinda Duckett's suicide days after her Nancy Grace interview).
Sorry I want to be a rah-rah guy and all happy the show is coming back but this is NOT a welcome development for me. I'll accept it, but not happy about it.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Mar 9, 2021 18:18:23 GMT -5
Just want to mention that I'm not trying to say any case in particular should not be profiled (out of respect to the victims and their families). I want to advise the show that they should be cautious on how many fugitives they profile that meet one of the three types of criteria
- Is wanted since the 1970s/1980s
- Is 80 years of age or older
- Is in a country where extradition is not possible
The point I'm trying to make is that fugitives who are in one of those three situations are going to much harder to locate than virtually everyone else who is wanted. The problem is that for the first two episodes, three out of the six fugitives meet one of those criteria's.
I think the show and part of the viewership to be honest need to drop this perception that AMW can find anyone. Every so often we get an apprehension like John List or Larry Burns, but that doesn't happen all the time. It's great for marketing, because these are the cases that viewers seem to be obsessed with. I'm just saying that there is a huge amount of fugitives who do not meet the above criteria's and could potentially be found if aired, especially if they have not been aired before.
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Post by ninja108 on Mar 9, 2021 23:25:59 GMT -5
Just want to mention that I'm not trying to say any case in particular should not be profiled (out of respect to the victims and their families). I want to advise the show that they should be cautious on how many fugitives they profile that meet one of the three types of criteria - Is wanted since the 1970s/1980s - Is 80 years of age or older - Is in a country where extradition is not possible The point I'm trying to make is that fugitives who are in one of those three situations are going to much harder to locate than virtually everyone else who is wanted. The problem is that for the first two episodes, three out of the six fugitives meet one of those criteria's. I think the show and part of the viewership to be honest need to drop this perception that AMW can find anyone. Every so often we get an apprehension like John List or Larry Burns, but that doesn't happen all the time. It's great for marketing, because these are the cases that viewers seem to be obsessed with. I'm just saying that there is a huge amount of fugitives who do not meet the above criteria's and could potentially be found if aired, especially if they have not been aired before. I agree. Do what the original AMW did and do recent cases first, get captures and ratings up then go with cold cases. |
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Post by ninja108 on Mar 9, 2021 23:27:20 GMT -5
To be honest I'm actually extremely pissed new AMW is involving Nancy Grace considering the way she treated Elizabeth Smart. It's a tough pill to swallow but for the sake of getting justice for the victims' I'll swallow it. Just wish the new show runners would know their history and Grace's controversies with AMW-aired cases in the past (In addition to Elizabeth Smart, you also have Melinda Duckett's suicide days after her Nancy Grace interview). Sorry I want to be a rah-rah guy and all happy the show is coming back but this is NOT a welcome development for me. I'll accept it, but not happy about it. Same here. Too abrasive for me, especially on a show dealing with crime victims. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 10, 2021 4:44:25 GMT -5
I realize that I'm judging the show before it airs but even though I was initially excited, there's a bunch of stuff now concerning me:
-Involvement of Nancy Grace, even if on an overtime show
-Going heavy on cold cases- when recent cases are more solvable (once again I realize perhaps there will be cases not mentioned in previews)
-This is me saying this of all people- but all the cases so far are fugitive cases. Even McKenna Butcher is a parental abduction case so that's the closest we get. Old AMW worked because it was a court of last resort for ALL types of crime cases- Yes the main focus was and always should be fugitives- but they also knew to also cover unsolved with no known suspect, missing child and adult cases etc... EVERYONE had a shot at getting coverage on the show for whatever their case was, everyone should feel they have a shot regardless of what type of case they need help with and doing more overall crime cases means variety which makes the viewer more interested (once again I realize there may be cases not shown in previews)
-All about new doodads and 3-d technology and doohickies in commercials. (I know I sound like Ned Flanders here). Just tell the story! They didn't have a 3-D graphic of John List and still caught him! It was an old-fashioned well-made forensic bust by the late great Frank Bender!
-Elizabeth Vargas is a solid reporter and a great news media reputation- she's won an Emmy- but no known connection to advocacy or the old show when the viewers are going to need to trust the host. I will give her a chance to earn my trust- but I see a lot of "no John Walsh I'm not watching comments" on social media already- yes these people are being stubborn, but like ok well they didn't have to necessarily go with Elizabeth Smart or Marc Klaas or whoever that had that Walsh-esque victim's advocacy to make them feel more at ease- but if they had went with like say Tom Morris or Angeline Hartmann or something- even though they're not technical victim's advocates (they pretty much are by now but not traditional sense)- the viewer might have went "OK no John Walsh but I remember when they were an AMW correspondent so makes me more encouraged!" as opposed to an unknown commodity (Vargas is famous in the news world but not so much unsolved true crime tv world) that will make easing the transition a bit harder. I am definitely giving Liz Vargas a chance, and I don't envy her for being in the almost impossible position of having to fill John's shoes, but unfortunately I don't know how stubborn the general public that was used to JW will be.
-A seeming lack of appreciation for the show's past and their fans so far- Yes I know I sound obsessed and petty about this- but old AMW Tom Morris joined our forum. The Hunt and In Pursuit with two different production companies had people from the show join our forum. No one from this new AMW has ever reached out or interacted with us. There's some tweets and Facebook postings but like no fan Q'A's or events etc.. (Online, I realize we're in a pandemic). However, before people accuse me of just being bitter or like I'm in my feelings or delusional over a fan page-only website- in addition to only possibly JW making a cameo- everyone involved seems to have NOTHING to do with old AMW- no former correspondents, producers etc... Yes there is something to adapting to the new era, but to not embrace the past and learn what worked in the past with the show concerns me. So perhaps I'm in my delusional feelings, but they don't seem to be involving any part of AMW's past except for JW at all.
Sorry for this huge rant but I was initially excited when I saw AMW came back like "F*** Yeah!", and I never thought I'd see the day where AMW finally came back and somehow I actually wouldn't be happy about it, but I see a lot of red flags so far that concern me. I hope these fears will be assuaged when I see the actual show this Monday, and hopefully I "enjoy" it (AMW, In Pursuit etc... aren't shows you should enjoy because there's victims, but by enjoy I mean I'm engaged).
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