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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 6, 2024 7:01:41 GMT -5
I stand corrected on the house as well as it is now trending republican. It’s just very frustrating because of the youth and millenial voters that stayed home this election.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 6, 2024 11:09:45 GMT -5
Even if Trump’s second administration is not authoritarian in nature, it will still be a disaster for everyone who is not a healthy, affluent, cis white male. If Trump implements any of his authoritarian statements during his second term, then all gloves are off. I really hope that for the sake of the world order it is not the later, even though most Americans in some way will be screwed over by the former.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 6, 2024 12:52:13 GMT -5
Also something else that needs to be discussed in regards to politics/fugitives is that Trump wants to sentence undocumented immigrants to death if they are convicted of killing a US citizen. To clarify, undocumented immigrants are the toughest fugitives to both locate and extradite, which is why they make up a sizeable number of fugitive homicide suspects.
Assuming Trump is able to enforce this policy (which is completely racist), extraditions of fugitives from nations such as Mexico may run into significant roadblocks again. This is a major diplomatic issue but also a major problem for this site.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Nov 6, 2024 19:23:14 GMT -5
Beyond the electoral college, Tronald Sr also got 5 million more total votes, proving that a referendum to replace the electoral college league with a popular vote system wouldn't save us from autocrats like him. If I lived in a red state, my civil rights as a religious minority, i.e. not politically or theologically aligned with televangelists such as Jerry Falwell the 1st or Pat Robertson, would be at stake, but if he justified revoking civil rights from non-Falwellians just by having won the election, that would constitute a blatant abuse of governmental power which could risk a human rights crisis.
If people who were, or look like they were, born in the 00-Agents' Decade indeed sat this election out, it would prove that recent generations' faith in public institutions, and the whole system of government, was long-since exhausted. Efforts to use civic participation to improve struggling people's quality of life went nowhere, rich powerholders proved to be above justice, nobody could think of or implement any effective strategy against Exxon-Mobil's near-unchecked power, and people got sick of getting falsely blamed for Judaiphobia just because they tried to cut Benjamin Netanyahu's, Itamar Ben-Gvir's, and the overall Likud and Otzma-Yehudit parties' holocaust in Gaza short.
But perhaps what I'm most worried about is his foreign policy intentions. It wouldn't take much effort to abuse the military's power and make the US into an enemy to the rest of the 1st world. In order to stave off blame and avert military action by the Allied Powers or whatever today's closest equivalent is within states and localities that didn't support those war crimes, 20 or 30 state governments would have to disavow what Tronald Sr was turning DC into. If he directed the military, or any of the yes-men in his executive branch, to attack the Pacific Coast, the Eastern seaboard, the southeastern Rocky Mountains, or Chicago, the US would break up into roughly 5 smaller nations. This would leave Vlad Putin and Xi Jinping unchecked by the former US' military power, Putin and Jinping could do everything they wanted geopolitically, and a planetary state of emergency would have to be declared.
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Post by outlawtaco on Nov 6, 2024 19:53:03 GMT -5
Was anyone else surprised that shrerod brown lost
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 6, 2024 20:53:41 GMT -5
Was anyone else surprised that shrerod brown lost No. I was hopeful but Ohio has become a red state in the past 10 years.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 6, 2024 20:57:46 GMT -5
Also I know this sounds like cope but tbh in retrospect everyone points to this election as the end of the American experiment when in reality if this is the end it really ended in 2000. The Supreme Court stole the election for Bush in Florida while a bunch of Democrats wasted useless protest votes for Ralph Nader which would have not allowed that to happen. That in turn lead to neglecting intelligence about a planned attack on 9/11, the war in Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11, a failed government response to Hurricane Katrina and a Great Recession. If Gore had won in 2000, it would have been a boring four years of eight years but it also would have saved democracy. This sucks, but it’s basically been a 24 year trend towards this.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Nov 6, 2024 20:58:42 GMT -5
Was anyone else surprised that shrerod brown lost No. I was hopeful but Ohio has become a red state in the past 10 years. Any insight as to what turned Ohio red since circa 014? Meanwhile, I suddenly remembered my best friend saying we'd make history last night. But it turns out he was right for the worst reason. Tronald Sr is the first convicted felon to be given a presidential election, further proving how ineffectual the screening process for candidates is.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 6, 2024 21:00:25 GMT -5
No. I was hopeful but Ohio has become a red state in the past 10 years. Any insight as to what turned Ohio red since circa 014? Meanwhile, I suddenly remembered my best friend saying we'd make history last night. But it turns out he was right for the worst reason. Tronald Sr is the first convicted felon to be given a presidential election, further proving how ineffectual the screening process for candidates is. Not sure they have a lot of blue cities but I think the non big 4 cities (Cleveland Cincinnati Columbus and Toledo) geographically added more people to dwarf them unfortunately
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Post by outlawtaco on Nov 6, 2024 21:02:42 GMT -5
Ok thank you for the information
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Post by 912thamwuser on Nov 7, 2024 6:25:48 GMT -5
Given how some reactionary legislators made the news lately for glorifying marriages between men and girls, or blocking bills which would prevent it, I feared that maybe Project 20`20`5 or the Heritage Foundation writ large would try and arrange a marriage between a K-12 aged girl and me. Even if I was as young as I look, I would still recognize how profoundly abusive to that girl's human rights it would be, and that only a complete piece of shut would set such a betrothal up. So far, nothing reported in Project 20`20`5 says anything of the sort. However, what I did find was almost as bad. Not only do they want to create an apartheid state against anyone who doesn't fit the stereotypes of their sex assigned at birth, against non-whites, against the disabled, and against anyone born into poverty, the Heritage Foundation seems to harbor a grudge against anyone who even so much as recognizes nearly everything they say about obstetrics, gynaecology, the history of race relations, orientation and identity, disability studies, neurosciences (particularly neurodivergence), and the history of various economic policies, as Points Refuted A Thousand Times or blood libel. They didn't seem to write in a specific system of punishments, but they seem to lean towards revoking government services and life-sustaining benefits. What I interpreted from the intentions was that the Heritage Foundation's donors and other Project 20`20`5 backers see anyone outside the unmarked demographics as a thorn in their side, because so many of the people favored by Project 20`20`5's social and economic policies could only compete with a smaller pool of opponents, not a bigger pool of all demographics, for political and economic power or cushy jobs.
P.S. People on YouTube have so many false grievances against non-Tronaldian politicians on social media and in comments sections it's unbelievable.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 7, 2024 10:18:24 GMT -5
I needed to also address Trump’s usage of Hitler quotes during his campaign (ex. Getting rid of the “vermin”, poisoning the blood of America, the enemy within, etc). In any democracy, this should be disqualifying for any serious political candidate.
This has been lost on Americans for two reasons. Yougov polled Americans and found only 65% agreed that none of Hitler’s ideas were right. (11% said some of Hitler’s ideas were right and 24% had no opinion). The other issue is that about half of US millennials and members of Gen Z cannot came a single Nazi concentration camp. (By comparison I can name the following three off the top of my hand, Auschwitz, Dachau and Buchenwald).
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 7, 2024 14:01:28 GMT -5
I don't want to sound like I've already developed Stockholm Syndrome but there's a few things I'd like to point out-
-North Carolina had a crazy nutjob MAGA antisemitic candidate who lost to the Democratic Jewish candidate, Josh Stein. Yet Trump won the state handily.
-If you look in past elections, Trump endorsed candidates have never done as well as him.
In retrospect, it does seem like the American people do actually reject many racist homophobic etc.. candidates, and it is only Trump that they turn a blind eye to, likely because of his ability to market himself, and the idea, fair or not, that he's good for the economy.
I don't have many conservative friends, but the ones I do have are the ones who aren't a fan of Trump's rhetoric and mainly like him for economic reasons. (I remember cutting ties with one friend who asked why I was still friends with someone we both knew- I told him because that friend was a "traditional" republican while he turned into a MAGA nutjob).
Whether you agree or not, Biden's economy looked good on paper but not everyone was seeing the benefits. Trump offered that he was going to fix inflation etc.. It remains to be seen whether they were conned or not.
But yeah, I do think Kamala being a black woman didn't help a country that obviously still has a lot of racism, but in retrospect I do think for some it was "this guy's a maniac but I remember having more money when he was a non-covid President." I don't agree with that, but I feel that's also what factored in here.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 7, 2024 15:36:23 GMT -5
In unrelated political news, George Gascon and Pamela Price were both defeated in their elections to keep their county DA position. I do think that their views of being “progressive prosecutors” have significant issues, the same way as the “tough on crime prosecutors” have significant issues with their policies. Being convicted of a felony should have consequences, and there are times when juveniles do need to be charged as adult. At the same time, the viewpoint that justice is based on how many convictions you get and the harshest penalties you can apply at sentencing has been well documented as far as condemning defendants to LWOP or death if the case against them is circumstantial (meaning there is reasonable doubt to a defendant’s guilt). I do think there is a fair way of applying consequences to those convicted of felonies that is done without bias or discrimination, and does not need the death penalty in a civilized democracy.
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Post by outlawtaco on Nov 7, 2024 17:29:02 GMT -5
David McCormick has defeated Bob Casey jr by a razor thin margin I honestly didn't expect this to happen after all Casey was pretty well respected in Pennsylvania I mean his father was a beloved governor and the Casey family is still a pretty respected family throughout Pennsylvania as a whole seriously wasn't expecting this I mean back in 2022 john fetterman steamrolled mehmet oz by 5 points im speechless
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