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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 3, 2018 15:35:24 GMT -5
Where did you read that this case is listed as unresolved? The only suspect that I have heard tossed around is the now deceased serial killer Israel Keyes. I think that makes a lot of sense after doing some research. The ATM photo looks similar to him. The next step should be to go back and ask the few people who saw "Robert Cooper" if they see a resemblance with Keyes, or if they can positively identify the killer as Keyes. I also read they tested the DNA found at the scene with Keyes' but there was no match. From what I understand, Israel Keyes was known to leave behind phony DNA. I hope the detectives on this case are aware of that.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 3, 2018 16:15:22 GMT -5
Hello mbado, welcome to the forum!
I'll let Maddog answer the "unresolved" question but my problem with Keyes as a possible suspect (besides him not looking like the sketch imo) is he seems to have had his name thrown around as a possible suspect in so many high profile unsolved cases that it's hard to know which ones to take more seriously than others.
I never heard about Keyes leaving false DNA before. Do you have a link or anything about that?
It doesn't hurt if they didn't already for the FBI, Detectives etc.... to double check Keyes as due diligence.
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Post by Maddog on Jun 3, 2018 22:19:18 GMT -5
I read in an article before that it’s classified as “unresolved.”
Personally, I don’t think it was Keyes - the M.O. and descriptions do not match.
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Post by Maddog on Jun 4, 2018 12:39:12 GMT -5
Where did you read that this case is listed as unresolved? The only suspect that I have heard tossed around is the now deceased serial killer Israel Keyes. I think that makes a lot of sense after doing some research. The ATM photo looks similar to him. The next step should be to go back and ask the few people who saw "Robert Cooper" and see if they see a resemblance with Keyes, or if they can positively identify the killer as Keyes. I also read obligatory they tested the DNA found at the scene with Keyes' but there was no match. From what I understand, Israel Keyes was known to leave behind false DNA. I hope the detectives on this case are aware of that. Al Kite’s killer has been described as being in his 40s: Keyes was 34 when he died. While he did engage in torture murders in the past, the man he tortured to death was killed alongside his wife at the time (Kite was single and living alone at the time of his death). |
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 4, 2018 16:24:57 GMT -5
@scumhunter I remember someone commented on another forum and said Keyes was known for leaving behind false DNA. I never double checked to see if that was true, but I'm assuming it is because it seems like a weird thing to lie about. I actually see some resemblances to Keyes in the composite sketches. I looked at his mug shot and the roundness in the face and the distance between the eyes seem consistent with one of the sketches. Maddog Keyes was known as a master of disguise, so just because "Robert Cooper" was described as being in his 40s, doesn't mean Keyes should be completely ruled out. Do you have a link to that article that lists it as unresolved? I can't find it. Also, did any of you come across that strange blog post from someone claiming to be living with Al Kite's killer? I've thought about emailing the detective on the case about that. I'm sure it's BS but this case isn't very well known so it seems like a strange thing to make up. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 4, 2018 18:38:04 GMT -5
I don't think the poster was lying but purposely leaving behind false DNA is something I never heard of before and it's possible they were mistaken. I also didn't know about the person who claimed to live with Al Kite's killer. So with the false DNA, the case supposedly being "Unresolved", and the person who claimed to live with Al Kite's killer, there's a bunch of stuff we need to find links for lol but hopefully we do.
I think it would be a good idea to email the detective about the person who claimed that if anyone can find the post (if no one has already), if not to be better safe than sorry.
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 5, 2018 2:42:21 GMT -5
I just emailed the detective. Hopefully he gets back to me. I have a feeling somebody else already emailed him about this since it says over 200 people viewed the blog post.
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Post by Maddog on Jun 5, 2018 14:11:27 GMT -5
@scumhunter I remember someone commented on another forum and said Keyes was known for leaving behind false DNA. I never double checked to see if that was true, but I assume it is because that seems like a weird thing to lie about. I actually see some resemblances to Keye's in the composite sketches. I looked at his mug shot and the roundness in the face and the distance between the eyes seem consistent with one of the sketches. Maddog Keyes was known as the master of disguise so just because the Al Kite killer was described as being in his 40s doesn't mean Keye's should be completely ruled out. Do you have a link to that article that lists it as unresolved? I can't find it. Also, did any of you come across that strange blog post from someone claiming to be living with Al Kite's killer? I've thought about emailing the detective on the case about that. I'm sure it's BS but this case isn't very well known so it seems like a strange thing to make up. [ No. The link is dead, so I cannot find it. I swear that’s what the article said, though. Here’s a problem: Keyes left behind false DNA as you stated, but in this case, the killer took steps to destroy it (I.e. dumping bleach down the bathtub drain at Kite’s). Plus, I have found anything tying him to Colorado. |
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 5, 2018 14:35:02 GMT -5
Maddog I see your point, but someone in a forum also said that there were some fingerprints recovered at the scene, and that they have been entered into a national database. Again, I never double checked to see if that was true. If that is the case, then I think Keyes is still at play here. The detective responded to my email this morning. He said he has seen the blog post and he interviewed the lady who posted it. He didn't tell me anything else. I would love to ask follow up questions, but I know better than to ask lol. It makes you wonder if she was telling the truth and that's how they developed a suspect, which would explain why the case is listed as unresolved.
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Post by Maddog on Jun 5, 2018 21:24:57 GMT -5
Maddog I see your point, but someone in a forum also said that there were some fingerprints recovered at the scene, and that they have been entered into a national database. Again, I never double checked to see if that was true. If that is the case, then I think Keyes is still at play here. The detective responded to my email this morning. He said he has seen the blog post and he interviewed the lady who posted it. He didn't tell me anything else. I would love to ask follow up questions, but I know better than to ask lol. It makes you wonder if she was telling the truth and that's how they developed a suspect, which would explain why the case is listed as unresolved. Assuming there are fingerprints, and they were entered into a national database, I would think they would have been able to eliminate Keyes as a suspect by now, as his prints are more than likely on file. I doubt this killer left any prints behind, though, seeing how he tried to destroy evidence and conceal who he was. |
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 5, 2018 23:52:09 GMT -5
Now we're back to the idea of Keyes leaving behind phony DNA. He very well could've left behind phony fingerprints (I imagine there are ways to extract someones prints from an object in their trash can.) So just because the prints at the scene don't match Keyes', doesn't mean he should be eliminated. Btw, I think I read another thing that said they did test the fingerprints found at the scene with Keyes and there was no match. But that goes back to my point of him leaving behind phony DNA. That has to be considered given how meticulous this killer is. I really need to start finding the links to all these things I'm talking about lol.
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 6, 2018 0:48:40 GMT -5
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Post by mbado2003 on Jun 19, 2018 3:30:42 GMT -5
@scumhunter Maddog I just listened to a podcast about Al Kite that was released this past Saturday, and the host seemed to have a bunch of information that would only be available to investigators or family members. One of the things the host said was that in December 2017, police used the killers DNA to create a digital image of what he could look like. I wonder why this hasn't been released to the public yet. Another thing I found interesting was the host said the case is listed as unresolved. I just emailed the detective 2 weeks ago, and when I asked him if it was listed as unresolved, he told me it was listed as a Cold Case. Is there a reason he said that to me? Was he being vague and not wanting to release that info? I'm confused. Also, one of my tips to the detective was about the University of Colorado Library. Apparently all of the ads Robert Cooper responded to were only listed at the Library. I believe this could possibly support the theory that the killer was Israel Keyes. He was 26 at the time, so maybe his youth was what attracted him to the university. He would blend in, being a young person at the time. If Robert Cooper was really in his 40s or 50s, why would he go to a college library where he would possibly stand out? The detective didn't respond to that tip so I guess he wasn't impressed. Oh well. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 19, 2018 5:24:18 GMT -5
Perhaps the detective is being purposely vague as to not jeopardize the case and perhaps hopefully he's not impressed with the tip because perhaps this isnt as cold a case as it seems publicly and he has decent suspects and leaning towards specific people.
Doesn't mean Kite's killer will be arrested anytime in the near future but hopefully they're closer than we think but dont want to admit it publicly.
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Post by Maddog on Jun 20, 2018 19:18:34 GMT -5
Perhaps the detective is being purposely vague as to not jeopardize the case and perhaps hopefully he's not impressed with the tip because perhaps this isnt as cold a case as it seems publicly and he has decent suspects and leaning towards specific people. Doesn't mean Kite's killer will be arrested anytime in the near future but hopefully they're closer than we think but dont want to admit it publicly. Exactly. With the lack of evidence that the cops have, it's definitely a VERY sensitive investigation.
I doubt they would even have a DNA profile of the killer, because he took good steps to cover his tracks: he poured bleach down the drain, etc. (unless Kite fought back, and there would probably be DNA underneath his fingernails).
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