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Post by theczar on Dec 16, 2013 13:19:32 GMT -5
While Pinckney was bad, Baker's capture was very unique in that he was already in jail. So my votes for Baker.
I also vote for Adams.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Dec 16, 2013 19:26:23 GMT -5
Seymour Pinckney defeats Jessie Lee Baker 1 to 3, and Marc Adams shuts out Amy Rica DeChant.
Round 2, Division 9
Kong Chung Bounnam, #330, Nvb 18, 1994 A Laotian immigrant. In 1987, he robbed the Jade East restaurant / jewelry store in Raleigh, North Carolina, killing 3 workers and wounding 1. He managed to flee despite a gunshot wound to the leg which he never sought medical attention for. The next year, the survivors sold the restaurant because the memories of how it ended were too painful. Instead, they moved their jewelry store to East Memphis, relying on word of mouth and loyal customers to keep business flowing. Bounnam was busted in Ontario, Canada, living in secret after blending in with other East Asian communities.
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Damar Gervan Pink, #824, Jnr 26, 2005 John Walsh's #5 Most Wanted Fugitive of 2004. By September 2003, he had a squeaky clean criminal record, not even a parking ticket. In October 2003, on his 18th birthday, he and a few others burst into a farmer's market in Florida. They shot a security guard named Yonel Barthelemy to death on his first day of guard duty. They proceeded to a back chamber where they threatened to shoot the vault tellers execution style if they didn't open the vault. They got away with a moderate sum of money. AMW tips led to Hartford, Connecticut where Pink was hiding out in a basement. In a desperate attempt to flee, he rammed an FBI van before he was busted.
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Brittany "Angel Eyes, Satan's Daughter" Marlowe Holberg, #449, Fbr 17, 1997 A topless dancer and crack addict. In Nvb. 1996, she disguised herself as a damsel in distress in order to ruse her way into an old Amarillo, Texas man's apartment. After trying to rob it, she stabbed and beat him with 10 different utensils and appliances, administering the finishing blow with a kitchen knife. The body was found with a lamp pole crammed more than 5 inches down his throat. In February of 1997, a tipster directed cops to an airport in Memphis, Tennessee where she was performing topless dances. They set up a purchase, lured her to a McDonald's not far away, and busted her. She's since been condemned to death.
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Malaika Tamu Griffin, #845, Jne 6, 2005 A southern Magna Cum Laude college chemistry graduate named to many AMW fans' year-end most wanted lists for 2000. In 1999, she got into a racist argument with a white man and shot him to death. Police found books and a weapons stockpile, proving she was armed for a war against the white race. Introduced on AMW in 2000 and profiled at least 4 times in total, an AMW tipster busted her working as a bio technology lab assistant in El Cajon, California. She's since been sentenced to life without parole.
My votes go to Bounnam for his death toll of 3 and Satan's Daughter for the gruesomeness of her crimes and the creative trap that cops set to bust her.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 16, 2013 19:37:57 GMT -5
First one is Bounnam (who incidentally was on I Almost Got Away With It) for the reasons already stated.
Second one is so TOUGH. Which lady to choose. Holberg is still fighting for her freedom over a decade later but I doubt she's going to get it. As an AMW watcher since 1996, hers was one of the first high-profile captures I remember from the show. However, I vividly remember Griffin and if I had one back in the day, she would have been on my personal dirty dozen. Her crime was so senseless and she was potentially dangerous with what was found at her house. It seemed she was a ticking time bomb that could snap again at any moment. Not to mention the multiple airings proved that you can never give up hope.
I think I'm giving a slight and I mean VERY slight edge to Griffin here because I thought her capture although not as unique as Holberg's was more impressive. At least four and possibly five profiles over a span of few years, it looking like there may not be much hope, and out of nowhere she's busted working in California. We all jumped for joy when we found that out.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Dec 16, 2013 23:03:05 GMT -5
I vote for Bounnam and Griffin. Second match drove me insane trying to make a decision on who to vote for.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Dec 17, 2013 16:04:22 GMT -5
Kong Chung Bounnam shuts out Damar Gervan Pink, and Malaika Tamu Griffin defeats Satan's Daughter 1 to 2.
Round 2, Division 10
Stephen Edward "Two Bears" Tatro, #604/#639, Apl 1, 2000 / Jnr 8, 2001 A Native American art salesman. In December 1997, he blew away his business partner Daniel Duran with a deer rifle following a business dispute in Texas. Seeing that he was going to be profiled on the 4-02-000 broadcast of AMW, a tipster busted him in Apache Junction, AZ on April Fool's Day as Capture #604 as he was trying to sell a mule. In late August 2000, he found out a judge was going to revoke his bond. He faked heart trouble, went to a hospital, refused treatment, and escaped. 9 days after John Walsh named him his #9 most wanted fugitive of 2000, an AMW tipster busted him in rural Arizona unloading ranch supplies from a truck. He faked heart trouble again, but cops knew better that time.
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Joseph Kindler, #23, Spt 6, 1988 AMW's first capture outside the United States. In 1984, he murdered an 18 year old crime witness in Pennsylvania and was condemned to death. He managed to flee justice, then got re-arrested on other charges in Quebec, Canada. In 1986, he killed his cellmate and escaped the Quebec prison. He'd managed to land a job in St. John, Canada, but his co-workers were terrified of him when they saw him on AMW, so they called in the tip and busted him.
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Tony Ray Amati, #501, Fbr 28, 1998 In May 1996, he burglarized a Las Vegas armory, stealing at least 75 firearms. Over the next 3 months, he committed a shooting spree, killing 3 people. He was busted in Marietta, Georgia, selling magazine subscriptions door-to-door, less than a week after he was added to the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list.
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Angel Maturino Resendiz, #989, Jly 13, 1999 The Texas Railway Serial Killer, and one of the FBI's Ten Most Wanted. He's pretty much confirmed to have killed 8 people in San Antonio and other cities in Texas near railroad tracks from the summer of 1997 to July 1999, including at least 1 sexual murder. He made at least 1 additional failed attempt at another sexual murder. Most of the victims were bludgeoned to death. AMW tipsters led cops to El Paso, Texas. As he crossed the bridge from Chihuahua, Mexico to El Paso, he gave up running, shook the officer's hand, and went into custody. He was executed in June 2006. He should've been capture #574, but AMW didn't take credit for his capture until April's Eve 2008, making him Capture #989.
My votes go to Two Bears because he was a murderer busted twice by AMW, and the Railway Serial Killer for his estimated death toll of 8.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Dec 17, 2013 16:28:54 GMT -5
I really wanted to vote for Tatro but I voted for Kindler because he was the first capture in Canada (internationally as well) and had murdered two people. I also voted for The Railway Killer for obvious reasons. These matches are really starting to get hard, but it's more interesting that way.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 17, 2013 18:26:15 GMT -5
I hate to sound like a teenage girl here but OMG is that first vote tough.
The first guy to ever become a direct capture TWICE or the first international capture and a double murderer. I think, however, over time, Canada became the standard place to flee for a while before Mexico overtook it, and the truly impressive captures have happened in other countries where you least expect it. Captures in Canada and Mexico are awesome, but the first places you expect a fugitive to flee. Tatro was an AMW first so I'm giving the edge thanks to that uniqueness.
Second vote is for Ramirez. Both him and Amati likely wouldn't have stopped killing, but Ramirez had more victims, essentially surrendered meaning AMW got a frigging serial killer to give up which is impressive, and was also executed.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Dec 19, 2013 16:42:57 GMT -5
Two Bears defeats Kindler 2 to 1, and the Railway Serial Killer defeats Amati 0 to 3
Round 2, Division 11
Antonio Ramell "Squirt" Barnes and Earl Timothy "E" Jackson, #1167/#1168, Jnr 14, 2012 The first Direct Captures busted following an airing on Lifetime. In October 2009, these two believed some rivals in a Washington DC drug neighborhood stole their weapons and cash. After failing to retrieve it, they opened fire on a crowd just outside a high school. One man and an innocent 15 year old boy were killed, and 5 people were wounded. The best clue given during their All-Points Bulletin airing was each other: These two were always traveling together, and someone in Charlotte, North Carolina sent the tip in on Friday the 13th of January 2012. The next day (January 14), they were busted in a house they'd lived in for a month under a heavily armed search warrant. Antonio Ramell Barnes has since been sentenced to about 1/4 century in prison.
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Timothy William Berner, #804, Jly 25, 2004 A bank robber and cop killer on the US Marshal's 15 Most Wanted list. In June 2004, he killed a Sterling Heights, Michigan police officer and stole his revolver. According to AMW, it was the first officer murdered in the line of duty in that city's history. John Walsh named him one of the original 12 fugitives on his Dirty Dozen list because the murder had just then happened. Just over a month later, an AMW tipster led cops to Jacksonville, Florida. In an upstairs bedroom, he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with his victim's revolver.
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Angel Manuel Rivera, #727, Nvb 6, 2002 On June 26, 1991, he shot and killed his 3 tenants in Santa Cruz, California. Some time in 1999, a distant cousin of his allowed him to stay in east Chicago, but cops believe he strangled the cousin's sister, and her son found the body in her bed. 11 years after the triple murder, an AMW tipster busted him in Reading, Pennsylvania. Just as cops closed in on him, he tried to commit suicide by overdosing on drugs, and was caught passed out but still alive.
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Errol and Tonya Victor, #1180/#1181, Apl 14, 2012 A fugitive couple from St. John the Baptist's Parish, Louisiana. Starting in 2004, their collective 13 sons were imprisoned in a house of horrors. Tonya's children were starved, beaten, and forced to work nearly all hours of the day renovating the mansion. They were often punished by being forced to run laps around the property holding cinderblocks. Errol kept them away from school and brainwashed them into worshipping him as God. On April's Eve 2008, an ice cream sandwich went missing. Hoping to spare the other 12 men and boys any pain, Tonya's 8 year old son ML Lloyd III admitted to it. Errol grabbed a belt, tied him down, and whipped him repeatedly while Tonya stood by and did nothing to stop him. They took Lloyd to a hospital where he soon died from his wounds. In August 2011, they appeared on local news proclaiming their innocence before fleeing their trial. After Lifetime's Couples on the Run special, a tipster busted them in Tifton, Georgia. Errol had been doing handiwork and trying to start his own church, while Tonya wore a scarf and could barely speak anymore. Unfortunately, since their captures, Louisiana has been struggling to properly try them in court.
First, my vote goes to Squirt and E. They were a couple of young punks sought for shooting and killing 2 people, and wounding 5 more. One of the dead was a 15 year old boy. Their casualty toll matched Dudley Vincent Forbes' 2 dead, 5 wounded, but Forbes was an empty capture. Thus, in my book, Squirt and E made up for that.
Second, the Victors. The tortures and abuses that Errol subjected his stepchildren to was among the most twisted and bizarre child abuse cases that AMW had ever solved, and then he kills a child under 10 over a missing ice cream sandwich by whipping him with a belt. Tied with Jonathan Jamel May (#1197), I'd say this also has to be the worst case that AMW on Lifetime has solved.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 19, 2013 17:23:30 GMT -5
More tough votes today.
First one was hard but I voted for Berner since he was a cop killer on the USMS top 15 list. Although it pained me to not vote for Barnes and Jackson for the historical significance of being the first Lifetime captures and thus proving AMW could capture fugitives on their new network as well.
Second vote is for the Victors for the reasons you stated.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 20, 2013 15:39:42 GMT -5
bumping this up since sometimes it's hard for posters to notice it if another thread gets bumped on top of it in the off-topic forum. My votes are still for Berner and the Victors.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Dec 20, 2013 16:54:37 GMT -5
More tough votes this time. First off I voted for Barnes and Jackson for reasons already stated. Second, I actually voted for Rivera since he was pretty much confirmed to have committed another murder after killing three people eight years earlier. It's rare for a fugitive to kill another person while on the run. He was also my favourite capture of 2002. I'm just somewhat concerned with what possible sentence the Victor's could get.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Dec 21, 2013 23:26:46 GMT -5
Squirt and E defeat Timothy William Berner 2 to 1, and the Victors defeat Angel Manuel Rivera 1 to 2
Round 2, Division 12
Patricia Ann Kelley and John D Stoneman, #782/#783, Mrc 4, 2004 On June 24, 2003, in the worst case Guernsey County, Ohio had ever investigated, Stoneman raped and sodomized a 4 year old female spina bifida and hydroenchephalus victim who was under the care of his girlfriend Patricia Ann Kelley (#782), a Licensed Practical Nurse, as Kelley videotaped the disgusting crime. The little girl couldn't see what was happening to her or move. Stoneman was also wanted for storing child pornography on a computer in California, while Kelley had also set up video cameras in front of 2-way mirrors to record children changing their clothing in bathrooms. After 6 airings and 5 months on the show, including John Walsh's Top Ten Fugitives of 2003, this couple of creeps was busted in Toronto, Canada, where Kelley had been working at an airport restaurant. In middle 2005, they admitted to the sexual assault, the girl's family wanted the perps to suffer as miserably as possible, and a judge gave both Stoneman and Kelley two life sentences.
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Esat Bici, #723, Oct 12, 2002 An Albanian gang banger. In July 1990, he and 2 accomplices lured, beat, and fatally stabbed a man in Queens, New York because the victim was gay. The case became nationally infamous over the summer of 1990. His partners in crime tried to evade the court system, and Bici fled bail in May 1996. In October 2002, he got in a gunfight in Tijuana, Mexico, and was shot to death. An AMW tipster identified his body in the morgue.
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Cesar Barone, #249, April 20, 1993 From April 1991 to January 1993, he sexually murdered 4 women in Oregon. He may have sexually murdered a 5th victim, an elderly former neighbor, in Florida. He was busted in Oregon, the same state where he committed most of his crimes. He was condemned to death, but in December 2009 he died of natural causes.
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Paul Herman Clouston, #1118, Jne 1, 2010 A septagenarian career criminal and winner of the Summer 2009 AMW Forum's Fugitive Face-Off. In September 1972, he killed a cop in Buena Park, California. Released on bond less than 2 decades later, he traveled to Virginia where he sexually assaulted 7 boys and 2 girls, starting in 1990. He more than likely molested many more children. In September 2005, he fled trial after telling a pastor there was no God. He was added to the US Marshal's 15 Most Wanted list in December 2006. On June's Day 2010, an amw.com tipster busted him in a Merced, California elder commune where he'd been living as a lawn mower repairman. He was busted in a very elderly gentleman like fashion: sitting in a chair and reading a newspaper. He's been sentenced to at least 6 years in prison.
First, my vote goes to Stoneman and Kelley. They were wanted for one of the worst nonfatal sex crime cases ever profiled on the show, their victim was 4 years old, and she was blind and completely immobile. Second, Cesar Barone is among the most underrated captures on the show, and in terms of specifically sexual murders, he trumps the whole capture roster, except maybe for Kenneth Allen McDuff (I'm not sure how many of McDuff's 14 murders were sexual in nature).
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 22, 2013 8:43:19 GMT -5
I also vote for Stoneman/Kelly and Barone.
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Post by theczar on Dec 23, 2013 19:46:21 GMT -5
My votes for Stoneman/Kelley and Barone
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Post by HeadMarshal on Dec 23, 2013 19:54:25 GMT -5
I also vote for Stoneman/Kelley and Barone.
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