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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 13, 2019 11:09:54 GMT -5
I realize I'm breaking a rule and discussing this here but I feel it's not necessarily related to politics- I mentioned in the politics thread as much as I dislike Trump- I have friends and family members who support him- which is giving me a dilemma.
Now family members are one thing- you can't necessarily choose your family or who will be at family functions- you basically have no choice but to accept family at times, for all their faults.
But friends you can choose. And while most of them know I hate Cheetohead but have left me alone about it, it's a dilemma where I wonder how I can be friends with those that tolerate someone that represents the worst of humanity. Granted, some of my friends who like Trump are of the "I cringe at what he says sometimes, but I think he's doing a good job with the economy" or "I cringe at his tweets sometimes, but at least he keeps his promises" variety. And I disagree (the still good economy he inherited from Obama, and he actually doesn't keep his promises) but it at least shows they aren't entirely awful people and have some sort of rationalization and I can somewhat live with that. But some of my friends have gone full MAGA-mode. And I'm not saying this as a sad thing, but I think most of us in life if we really think about have many acquaintances but very few actual friends. I feel I belong in that category. I don't want to ruin lifelong friendships because of that and how very few there are to come by, but my moral compass is really being tested with some of my friends that now eat up every word including inflammatory words Trump says, even if they are still nice to me and have always been nice to me and leave me alone about my beliefs.
Sorry if that was too rambling, but I guess I'm asking for advice as to how to handle this. I don't want to end friendships, but I also wonder how much more I can rationalize still being their friend.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Aug 13, 2019 14:07:22 GMT -5
I realize I'm breaking a rule and discussing this here but I feel it's not necessarily related to politics- I mentioned in the politics thread as much as I dislike Trump- I have friends and family members who support him- which is giving me a dilemma. Now family members are one thing- you can't necessarily choose your family or who will be at family functions- you basically have no choice but to accept family at times, for all their faults. But friends you can choose. And while most of them know I hate Cheetohead but have left me alone about it, it's a dilemma where I wonder how I can be friends with those that tolerate someone that represents the worst of humanity. Granted, some of my friends who like Trump are of the "I cringe at what he says sometimes, but I think he's doing a good job with the economy" or "I cringe at his tweets sometimes, but at least he keeps his promises" variety. And I disagree (the still good economy he inherited from Obama, and he actually doesn't keep his promises) but it at least shows they aren't entirely awful people and have some sort of rationalization and I can somewhat live with that. But some of my friends have gone full MAGA-mode. And I'm not saying this as a sad thing, but I think most of us in life if we really think about have many acquaintances but very few actual friends. I feel I belong in that category. I don't want to ruin lifelong friendships because of that and how very few there are to come by, but my moral compass is really being tested with some of my friends that now eat up every word including inflammatory words Trump says, even if they are still nice to me and have always been nice to me and leave me alone about my beliefs. Sorry if that was too rambling, but I guess I'm asking for advice as to how to handle this. I don't want to end friendships, but I also wonder how much more I can rationalize still being their friend. I have a friend who is 3x my age who is about 60 years old, he’s on the religious conservative right and I’m on the libertarian left. I actually remain friends with him despite our differences He doesn’t agree with the public schools being secular, the removal of confederate monuments, and dislikes the Tiny Hands administration (and he dislikes all politicans in general) for their corruption and especially Tiny Hands for not being too tough on Iran and thinks for some reason he thinks despite how bad Hillary Clinton is, would have been tough on them by attacking them. I on the other hand agree with public schools being secular, I agree with the removal of MOST confederate monuments and we both dislike tiny hands however I don’t want Clinton to be tough on Iran, but rather let’s do diplomacy with Iran. He’s told me he doesn’t dislike Bernie Sanders and thinks he’s okay, and something I’ve learned is that whether they support trump or are on the left, or don’t have an opinion, we all deep down think things like a living wage, legalization of marijuana, universal free healthcare, free college, and support for stronger unions for workers is want we all want across the spectrum to . The way I see and how I think everyone should see is that MOST of us want the same progressive agenda especially those that voted Trump in 2016 for economical reasons or wanted an outsider, but there are elements of MAGites that aren’t redeemable since what they see it as a chance to be openly bigoted. On an off note. This isn’t me rambling about how good Bernie is, but back during the 2016 election.... or maybe afterwards, Bernie did a townhall in West Virginia, a state that is deeply red and a bunch of Trump supporters and Traditional republicans attended and they pretty much liked what he had to say. Keep in mind Bernie Sanders won a lot of the states Hillary lost in the general which is West Virginia and much of the rust belt |
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Post by 912thamwuser on Aug 13, 2019 14:34:36 GMT -5
I realize I'm breaking a rule and discussing this here but I feel it's not necessarily related to politics- I mentioned in the politics thread as much as I dislike Trump- I have friends and family members who support him- which is giving me a dilemma. Now family members are one thing- you can't necessarily choose your family or who will be at family functions- you basically have no choice but to accept family at times, for all their faults. But friends you can choose. And while most of them know I hate Cheetohead but have left me alone about it, it's a dilemma where I wonder how I can be friends with those that tolerate someone that represents the worst of humanity. Granted, some of my friends who like Trump are of the "I cringe at what he says sometimes, but I think he's doing a good job with the economy" or "I cringe at his tweets sometimes, but at least he keeps his promises" variety. And I disagree (the still good economy he inherited from Obama, and he actually doesn't keep his promises) but it at least shows they aren't entirely awful people and have some sort of rationalization and I can somewhat live with that. But some of my friends have gone full MAGA-mode. And I'm not saying this as a sad thing, but I think most of us in life if we really think about have many acquaintances but very few actual friends. I feel I belong in that category. I don't want to ruin lifelong friendships because of that and how very few there are to come by, but my moral compass is really being tested with some of my friends that now eat up every word including inflammatory words Trump says, even if they are still nice to me and have always been nice to me and leave me alone about my beliefs. Sorry if that was too rambling, but I guess I'm asking for advice as to how to handle this. I don't want to end friendships, but I also wonder how much more I can rationalize still being their friend. I have a friend who is 3x my age who is about 60 years old, he’s on the religious conservative right and I’m on the libertarian left. I actually remain friends with him despite our differences He doesn’t agree with the public schools being secular, the removal of confederate monuments, and dislikes the Tiny Hands administration (and he dislikes all politicans in general) for their corruption and especially Tiny Hands for not being too tough on Iran and thinks for some reason he thinks despite how bad Hillary Clinton is, would have been tough on them by attacking them. I on the other hand agree with public schools being secular, I agree with the removal of MOST confederate monuments and we both dislike tiny hands however I don’t want Clinton to be tough on Iran, but rather let’s do diplomacy with Iran. He’s told me he doesn’t dislike Bernie Sanders and thinks he’s okay, and something I’ve learned is that whether they support trump or are on the left, or don’t have an opinion, we all deep down think things like a living wage, legalization of marijuana, universal free healthcare, free college, and support for stronger unions for workers is want we all want across the spectrum to . The way I see and how I think everyone should see is that MOST of us want the same progressive agenda especially those that voted Trump in 2016 for economical reasons or wanted an outsider, but there are elements of MAGites that aren’t redeemable since what they see it as a chance to be openly bigoted. On an off note. This isn’t me rambling about how good Bernie is, but back during the 2016 election.... or maybe afterwards, Bernie did a townhall in West Virginia, a state that is deeply red and a bunch of Trump supporters and Traditional republicans attended and they pretty much liked what he had to say. Keep in mind Bernie Sanders won a lot of the states Hillary lost in the general which is West Virginia and much of the rust belt That would be tough for me. He supports a living wage, an end to tuition and health care loan sharking, and fighting against Corrections Corporation Of America to stop locking people up for petty mariJuana offences, but he's almost as much of a war hawk as John Bolton, and openly theocratic. I might have a little trouble getting along with him, because I'd feel like I was talking to a criminal court judge in a theocratic dystopia who's trying to decide how to sentence me just because I refused orientation change efforts (also known as "reparative therapy", whose goal is to have LGBT youth wrought into cisgender heterosexuals.) Like many theocrats and Televang nationalists I've encountered, I'd even get the sense he wants revenge on me just for refusing to beat up a local Hindu or Buddhist. |
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Post by ninja108 on Aug 13, 2019 21:27:09 GMT -5
Sad to say but there were some people I've ended friendships with over the years because there was a point the political differences between us were simply too great to keep a friendship alive.
It stinks but it's life.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 19, 2019 8:26:09 GMT -5
I know it's been established I'm the only one here who cares about sports but for posterity reasons just wanted to state my Super Bowl 2020 prediction is the Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Chicago Bears. I mentioned a long time ago I'm actually really good at predicting and normally get at least one of the two teams right (would have gotten the Saints right this year had the refs not screwed them). I just hope we don't see the Patriots again. It's not even a matter of not liking them (even though I also hate them), but it gets boring seeing the same team in the playoffs year after year and it would be nice to see new teams for a change. Hence, why I was happy when HeadMarshal's Raptors beat the Warriors.  P.S. I thoroughly acknowledge my hypocrisy if the Yankees win the World Series this year as I'd like to see that again and again and again and again just like the 90's |
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Post by 912thamwuser on Aug 19, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
I myself might barely give a (censored) about the S(beep)er Bowl, save for some events and trends (like foot traffic depending on where I go) in the early winter, but I hope for the fans' sake that next winter's show doesn't turn out completely tsumaranai (Jpn. "boring"). As for the commercials, I hope the '010s were an isolated case, and the '020s returns them to their former glory. In the winter, if someone brings up S(beep)er commercials, someone has to remind me to paraphrase something that happened to me in my primary grades regarding them.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 19, 2019 14:44:00 GMT -5
Commercials really aren't what they used to be in general (actually the last Super Bowl was boring but I found the commercials better than usual, there were some funny ones when generally they try too hard). But all I can say is we all have different interests and hobbies and all we can do is try our best not to crap on one person's enjoyment of one thing just because we don't enjoy it ourselves. Not saying you're doing that, just saying in general that's all we can do if a subject area isn't one we're particularly interested in.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Aug 19, 2019 16:18:43 GMT -5
Commercials really aren't what they used to be in general (actually the last Super Bowl was boring but I found the commercials better than usual, there were some funny ones when generally they try too hard). But all I can say is we all have different interests and hobbies and all we can do is try our best not to crap on one person's enjoyment of one thing just because we don't enjoy it ourselves. Not saying you're doing that, just saying in general that's all we can do if a subject area isn't one we're particularly interested in. I'm so poorly versed in marketing economics that, even when I think a company should save on their marketing budgets by considering some no-frills ads that merely show up to say what they need to say, similar to many commercials from the '980s and before, I don't understand why commercials have to be so superfluous, and why, since around the turn of the 00-Agents' decade, they've always had to be. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 4, 2019 3:03:00 GMT -5
Just wanted to say my thoughts are with everyone in the Bahamas as the Caribbean nation has been pummeled by Hurricane Dorian.
I think the problem with us here in America is we only think of countries in the Caribbean as places where we visit via cruise or resort vacations. They're islands inhabited by people no different than us. While I've never been to the Bahamas, I'm sure there are a lot of great people and families whose lives will forever be changed.
We need to wake up and do something as while mother nature is unpredictable and it's not like you can necessarily prevent hurricanes from happening, we've seen even crazier weather patterns than usual this century. Climate change and the rejection of global warming by some despite virtually every scientist saying it is happening doesn't help our current atmosphere.
Of course Florida and other parts of the U.S. aren't out of the woods just yet either, and I do have family in Florida, so we can only hope for the best for everyone regardless of where they live.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Sept 4, 2019 11:19:58 GMT -5
Just wanted to say my thoughts are with everyone in the Bahamas as the Caribbean nation has been pummeled by Hurricane Dorian. I think the problem with us here in America is we only think of countries in the Caribbean as places where we visit via cruise or resort vacations. They're islands inhabited by people no different than us. While I've never been to the Bahamas, I'm sure there are a lot of great people and families whose lives will forever be changed. We need to wake up and do something as while mother nature is unpredictable and it's not like you can necessarily prevent hurricanes from happening, we've seen even crazier weather patterns than usual this century. Climate change and the rejection of global warming by some despite virtually every scientist saying it is happening doesn't help our current atmosphere. Of course Florida and other parts of the U.S. aren't out of the woods just yet either, and I do have family in Florida, so we can only hope for the best for everyone regardless of where they live. Not that I want anyone to be negatively effected by Hurricane Dorian, but the Caribbean is not contributing to global climate change at anywhere the level of the mainland USA. Yet, the Caribbean sometimes gets hit far worse from these hurricanes. I would hoped that Hurricanes hitting the US would be a motivator for reduction in greenhouse gases. Even China is getting more of it's power from renewable sources than the US. Yet the US (mainly due to Trump, IMO), has gone backwards recently. Let's hope the people in the Carolinas will make it through the hurricane, but something has to change. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 7, 2019 0:20:52 GMT -5
Not to make a joke out of a serious situation but I am relieved all our friends in Alabama were spared. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 17, 2019 9:50:32 GMT -5
Just wanted to say I'm sorry if I seemed like a jerk to anyone on here lately- a health issue with a family member I thought was resolved earlier in the year has possibly resurfaced again- and not to be selfish but the last time I dealt with this it was during what should have been one of the better weeks of my life but I couldn't be entirely happy because I had it on my mind. So I guess I haven't been in the best mood due to that. Obviously no one's perfect. Even a generally "nice" person can have a day where they're a jerk (and hey even people generally jerks can sometimes do a kind act as well lol). I'd like to think I do my best to be a good person even though I'm not perfect and have flaws like any human being. I'll still lecture and get on my high horse with cases or if I see any of us commenting, usually by accident and not intentionally, in a way that accidentally may be offensive to victims in a case. Embarrassingly, I once had a case on here where I speculated that the male fugitive had a thing for the female friend he thought the victim he shot and killed insulted. But I accidentally referred to the female friend by the victim's wife's name- unfortunately the victim's wife saw the post before I could edit the type-o and was understandably pissed- granted it was a type-o and not actual speculation about the victim's loved one but just to let you guys I'm not immune to making mistakes sometimes either. So I want us to know I may get on moral diatribes but I acknowledge my own hypocrisy while doing so. Basically, I know none of us are even perfect and it's just a matter of trying to do our best to get justice, and I think most of us here have that goal in mind and mean well- even if some of you with all due respect drive me crazy - and I thank us for it. |
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Post by outlawtaco on Sept 17, 2019 9:56:08 GMT -5
Hey it alright as someone who also has mental disorders I get it
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 17, 2019 9:58:27 GMT -5
It's not a mental disorder thing which runs in my family but thankfully I don't have (unless you consider ADD a mental disorder) but just been in a crummy mood lately. And just so you know you're new and please let me know otherwise but I was referring to some other people on here and thankfully I haven't been a jerk to you- yet. |
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Post by outlawtaco on Sept 17, 2019 10:06:04 GMT -5
Sorry no I wasn't trying to be insensitive I just get what your saying I an apologize
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