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Post by 912thamwuser on Oct 16, 2020 22:54:18 GMT -5
This is probably more relevant to my year-end lists than any of yours, but something horrific doesn't necessarily need to happen to make the race a runaway. Instead, new evidence could link someone to a slightly older unsolved case over the next month and a half or so, in which the suspect would be charged within the autumn.
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 16, 2020 23:46:42 GMT -5
I should clarify many of these cases are ALREADY horrific it's just they are all uniquely horrific but unfortunately there's time for like a Robert Fisher/Shane Miller type case to happen.
And yeah one of my potential #1s although not my current #1 (he could be as it's like a five-way tie right now) is a guy who is now a person of interest in a murder case from 2017- after the fact (this should be obvious and I just gave it away to you but please keep it a secret unless in private messages lol). So you do have a point a guy/girl already on the list could get linked to another case and that would put them over the top.
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 19, 2020 1:15:21 GMT -5
And on top of how equally bad they all are, some of them are complicated cases as well. We all saw my 2019 list and I was able to succinctly summarize the cases in like two paragraphs tops, but I'm starting to write bios for the fugitives I'm pretty sure will make my list at the end of the year assuming they'll still be at large and some of them I've needed like four or five paragraphs to explain the many aspects to the case. So many of these guys this year including Jose Villarreal-Hernandez are complicated cases to explain because they're not just wanted for one incident and there's more to the story. I feel we've had more layered or complicated fugitive cases (where you can't just sum up the case in a few sentences) than usual this year.
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 21, 2020 17:27:32 GMT -5
Just a reminder- I'm VERY appreciative for anyone who thinks they may have a tip on a fugitive's whereabouts- but that should not be posted publicly on the forum- since fugitives and their family members etc... could still read the site and it could tip them off that it's known where they are and cause them to flee. More than willing to figure out the best crime stoppers etc.. line for everyone know.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 28, 2020 3:27:01 GMT -5
Usually in December I slow down and take a break from posting but this year I plan on being more active than usual to make up for In Pursuit's forced covid-hiatus. Maybe I'll only post a fugitive or two a day but usually I only do breaking news or case requests so that's still more than usual. Also I'd like to if I have time add some more non-fugitive cases as well.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 19, 2020 3:19:04 GMT -5
Hey all like I said I'm not usually one who asks for participation trophies but I'm still like a little ticked off no one besides 912th and one other poster here seems to have read my top 20 fugitives of 2020 thread.
You don't have to pretend to love it and praise it if you're upset one guy isn't as high as you would have ranked him and/or if someone you felt strongly about didn't make the list (but I'd rather you keep those comments to yourself as once again any complaints about the list will be deleted) but just some form of acknowledgement that you read it or like make a comment stating which guys you think have the best chance at capture or which guys you think will make In Pursuit or something. (I only say guys because no females made it this time- not intentional, Samantha Slater was on the short list before her capture).
The reason I'm kinda ticked off is I literally worked on that list the entire year and continually updated and edited it and it's like feeling all my time and effort isn't being acknowledged.
And yeah don't be paranoid that I'm calling anyone specifically out. Unless you're 912th who actually read it and participated I'm calling all of you out lol.
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 28, 2021 9:37:49 GMT -5
As we saw our site got credit for the capture of Paul Ronia Grisham, even if oddly they mistakenly thought we were "America's Most Wanted with John Walsh" LOL. Just so people don't think I'm not excited I am very happy but two reasons just in case I didn't seem that celebratory:
1. There was still a victim in this terrible case, and I'd rather the terrible crime Grisham allegedly committed never happened in the first place so it's in appropriate to like jump for joy over a sexual assault victim.
2. This isn't the first time we've helped capture a fugitive, just usually we don't get any credit (I'm still pissed no one ever gave us credit for Diaya Hamid after I helped to catch him in Australia, like anywhere else I might have been midlly annoyed but to not get credit for an international capture really creams me). So it's nice to see us get acknowledged for a change.
But yeah expect more confusion from news organizations once AMW comes back on Fox, who still can't tell we're an UNOFFICIAL fan site despite that being in the thread title lol.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 14, 2021 0:47:58 GMT -5
I decided make Glen Godwin Fugitive of the Week to coincide with AMW's return (even though there's two other cases in the show, I went with him since it seems he will be the debut fugitive or at least he's the fugitive the promos have most focused on).
I don't know if AMW is a spring season only show or if it will air more often than that but not because I don't want to promote it but since it seems will air somewhat frequently and have more cases per episode I will except in special circumstances still do our own cases for fugitive or cases of the week after this week. (In Pursuit was 12 episodes only so it needed that front page promotion a little more, plus only two cases to have to put on front page, sorry I'm lazy and three is a lot lol).
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 28, 2021 23:35:53 GMT -5
Just a note that the Charley Project changed their website a year or so ago so most of their old urls now have new web addresses.
Not to sound lazy but there are just way too many cases on our site for me to edit every thread so I pretty much have to rely on people emailing me to tell me when a profile has an expired link.
Also not to sound petty of me but CP has every right to redo their site, just annoying since I'm getting emails complaining like we accidentally posted the wrong link when we didn't- they just re-did their site. I can't help it when a link that used to work suddenly no longer works.
I'll edit a few if I can but I'm not going to not prioritize that over profiling new cases and updating leads on cases. if anyone wants to they can also update the threads with the new urls if they want. Don't want to sound like I'm pawning it off on members but otherwise there'd be like 200 threads Id have to update, and even that is a conservative estimate and it's probably even more than that.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 29, 2021 7:51:52 GMT -5
Also had I known AMW 2.0 would only be five weeks I would have made our forum cases for the week at least one case and/or the headlining case from the show instead of just a case from the first episode.
I feel since I did a forum-exclusive fugitive for week 2 it is too late to undo and thus I'll continue with non-AMW cases of the week. (Unless there's a specific reason to do an AMW case).
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Post by Scumhunter on May 13, 2021 2:49:03 GMT -5
Just wanted to mention I plan on not posting new cases (sans breaking news) for the next week and a half to instead focus on updating our cases posted from the last year or so. Just I posted so many cases with all the Covid free time that I actually A) Need to update the recent but not too recent ones since verification links expire, fugitives get captured without there being articles about it etc... And B) I actually would like to replenish my personal "cases to profile" listings as I'm actually short on non-breaking news planned cases to profile. I should have a decent amount of new cases from all the Google crime feed news cases I'll be saving instead of profiling while on the site review project.
I don't plan on updating literally every single thread done since the start of 2021 but I feel I'll be satisfied with however many I complete by the end of next week.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 17, 2021 1:38:37 GMT -5
Just wanted to mention I plan on not posting new cases (sans breaking news) for the next week and a half to instead focus on updating our cases posted from the last year or so. Just I posted so many cases with all the Covid free time that I actually A) Need to update the recent but not too recent ones since verification links expire, fugitives get captured without there being articles about it etc... And B) I actually would like to replenish my personal "cases to profile" listings as I'm actually short on non-breaking news planned cases to profile. I should have a decent amount of new cases from all the Google crime feed news cases I'll be saving instead of profiling while on the site review project. I don't plan on updating literally every single thread done since the start of 2021 but I feel I'll be satisfied with however many I complete by the end of next week. Surprisingly actually updated everything I could find out about and finished this project earlier than expected as well! Never underestimate the power of caffeine! Lol |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 20, 2021 3:17:53 GMT -5
I watched a documentary on Netflix called "The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel"- which is about a girl named Elisa Lam who disappeared while visiting a notorious hotel from Canada (The Cecil is supposedly haunted, in the notorious Skid Row area, and had many murders and suicides in their long history before they closed in 2017)- only to wind up dead in their roof water tank.
While the documentary wasn't that great- although I didn't think it was bad as the reviews suggested- one episode focused on "Web sleuths" (internet sleuths in general- I want to stress this isn't about WebSleuths the website) discussing the case- and quite frankly it scared me. They made assumptions about a case they knew nothing about. They wasted police time with trivial b.s. about how they feel Elisa got on the roof that does nothing to solve the case. (Like the police didn't also think about the possibility the roof alarm malfunctioned). They basically accused a Mexican heavy metal singer who sang songs about death and supposedly stayed at the Cecil five days before Elisa disappeared- as having killed her- without any proof it was him. He was harassed online, had to basically go into hiding, couldn't make music anymore, his YouTube account and videos were deleted, fell into a dark depression etc...
In the end, it turned out Elisa died by accident from having an episode from her bipolar disorder while she was off her medications- she climbed up to the roof and drowned- it was a rather obvious accident too where even the internet sleuths they interviewed admitted they were wrong and she wasn't murdered (there are some cases where they won't even admit it and still hold on to conspiracy theories- which tells you how obvious it was that this wasn't a murder case). (That is part of the reason the docuseries wasn't that great- they stretched out four episodes over a case that wasn't as mysterious as it first appeared and couldn't appear to decide what it was about- is it about the hotel, is it about Elisa, is it about internet sleuths, is it about mental health etc...)
On top of that, the sleuths made a mistake and it turned out the singer "Morbid" had actually stayed at the hotel a year before Elisa disappeared- for all their sleuthing- they misread a time stamp on his YouTube videos.
Anyway the reason I'm mentioning this is I want to thank everyone here for being- unlike the people in this case- mature online sleuthers. While we discuss these cases, I don't think we act like experts, and I've only contacted the police with legitimate tips as opposed to just theories.
With that being said, I did have to remove two posters recently- despite them being huge fans of the forum. I don't think either meant harm- but one was rude in his replies- even after my numerous lectures to him about being careful in the way he came across- and also acted like I committed murder myself whenever I made a minor typo or error- and the other wasn't rude per se but made a mess out of the forum- posting cases in the wrong sections, making new threads for cases we already had even after telling him to please Google/search our site for them, replying to things we already discussed etc... even after I gave him guidelines and told him to only post in off-topic so I could handle his madness lol. I don't want to sound anal-retentive and like a control freak but unintentional chaos is still chaos. (The latter I know is still a huge fan of the forum and thankfully doesn't hate me for removing him- so if he's reading this I didn't mean to insult him and I say hi lol).
The reason I'm bringing this up is that is nice that even when I have to remove people, it's usually for innocent reasons and them not being bad people but just bad fits for message boards, as opposed to the jump to conclusions mob-mentality web sleuths I've seen in this documentary and elsewhere on the internet. I do think we need to be more careful overall in these cases (not us as in the message board but us in the overall sleuthing community), but I'm also grateful for everyone here and their overall maturity.
I can't wait for In Pursuit to finally come back (and we'll see about AMW) so we can hopefully add some more great posters!
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 20, 2021 16:10:29 GMT -5
I watched a documentary on Netflix called "The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel"- which is about a girl named Elisa Lam who disappeared while visiting a notorious hotel from Canada (The Cecil is supposedly haunted, in the notorious Skid Row area, and had many murders and suicides in their long history before they closed in 2017)- only to wind up dead in their roof water tank. While the documentary wasn't that great- although I didn't think it was bad as the reviews suggested- one episode focused on "Web sleuths" (internet sleuths in general- I want to stress this isn't about WebSleuths the website) discussing the case- and quite frankly it scared me. They made assumptions about a case they knew nothing about. They wasted police time with trivial b.s. about how they feel Elisa got on the roof that does nothing to solve the case. (Like the police didn't also think about the possibility the roof alarm malfunctioned). They basically accused a Mexican heavy metal singer who sang songs about death and supposedly stayed at the Cecil five days before Elisa disappeared- as having killed her- without any proof it was him. He was harassed online, had to basically go into hiding, couldn't make music anymore, his YouTube account and videos were deleted, fell into a dark depression etc... In the end, it turned out Elisa died by accident from having an episode from her bipolar disorder while she was off her medications- she climbed up to the roof and drowned- it was a rather obvious accident too where even the internet sleuths they interviewed admitted they were wrong and she wasn't murdered (there are some cases where they won't even admit it and still hold on to conspiracy theories- which tells you how obvious it was that this wasn't a murder case). (That is part of the reason the docuseries wasn't that great- they stretched out four episodes over a case that wasn't as mysterious as it first appeared and couldn't appear to decide what it was about- is it about the hotel, is it about Elisa, is it about internet sleuths, is it about mental health etc...) On top of that, the sleuths made a mistake and it turned out the singer "Morbid" had actually stayed at the hotel a year before Elisa disappeared- for all their sleuthing- they misread a time stamp on his YouTube videos. Anyway the reason I'm mentioning this is I want to thank everyone here for being- unlike the people in this case- mature online sleuthers. While we discuss these cases, I don't think we act like experts, and I've only contacted the police with legitimate tips as opposed to just theories. With that being said, I did have to remove two posters recently- despite them being huge fans of the forum. I don't think either meant harm- but one was rude in his replies- even after my numerous lectures to him about being careful in the way he came across- and also acted like I committed murder myself whenever I made a minor typo or error- and the other wasn't rude per se but made a mess out of the forum- posting cases in the wrong sections, making new threads for cases we already had even after telling him to please Google/search our site for them, replying to things we already discussed etc... even after I gave him guidelines and told him to only post in off-topic so I could handle his madness lol. I don't want to sound anal-retentive and like a control freak but unintentional chaos is still chaos. (The latter I know is still a huge fan of the forum and thankfully doesn't hate me for removing him- so if he's reading this I didn't mean to insult him and I say hi lol). The reason I'm bringing this up is that is nice that even when I have to remove people, it's usually for innocent reasons and them not being bad people but just bad fits for message boards, as opposed to the jump to conclusions mob-mentality web sleuths I've seen in this documentary and elsewhere on the internet. I do think we need to be more careful overall in these cases (not us as in the message board but us in the overall sleuthing community), but I'm also grateful for everyone here and their overall maturity. I can't wait for In Pursuit to finally come back (and we'll see about AMW) so we can hopefully add some more great posters! I remember bringing up the Elisa Lam case on the off topic thread in 2016 when I was new to the forum, it’s a very creepy case considering the circumstances that there’s a lot of events that occurred without explanation like her behavior in the elevator and how she ended up in the water tank. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 20, 2021 19:29:50 GMT -5
I watched a documentary on Netflix called "The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel"- which is about a girl named Elisa Lam who disappeared while visiting a notorious hotel from Canada (The Cecil is supposedly haunted, in the notorious Skid Row area, and had many murders and suicides in their long history before they closed in 2017)- only to wind up dead in their roof water tank. While the documentary wasn't that great- although I didn't think it was bad as the reviews suggested- one episode focused on "Web sleuths" (internet sleuths in general- I want to stress this isn't about WebSleuths the website) discussing the case- and quite frankly it scared me. They made assumptions about a case they knew nothing about. They wasted police time with trivial b.s. about how they feel Elisa got on the roof that does nothing to solve the case. (Like the police didn't also think about the possibility the roof alarm malfunctioned). They basically accused a Mexican heavy metal singer who sang songs about death and supposedly stayed at the Cecil five days before Elisa disappeared- as having killed her- without any proof it was him. He was harassed online, had to basically go into hiding, couldn't make music anymore, his YouTube account and videos were deleted, fell into a dark depression etc... In the end, it turned out Elisa died by accident from having an episode from her bipolar disorder while she was off her medications- she climbed up to the roof and drowned- it was a rather obvious accident too where even the internet sleuths they interviewed admitted they were wrong and she wasn't murdered (there are some cases where they won't even admit it and still hold on to conspiracy theories- which tells you how obvious it was that this wasn't a murder case). (That is part of the reason the docuseries wasn't that great- they stretched out four episodes over a case that wasn't as mysterious as it first appeared and couldn't appear to decide what it was about- is it about the hotel, is it about Elisa, is it about internet sleuths, is it about mental health etc...) On top of that, the sleuths made a mistake and it turned out the singer "Morbid" had actually stayed at the hotel a year before Elisa disappeared- for all their sleuthing- they misread a time stamp on his YouTube videos. Anyway the reason I'm mentioning this is I want to thank everyone here for being- unlike the people in this case- mature online sleuthers. While we discuss these cases, I don't think we act like experts, and I've only contacted the police with legitimate tips as opposed to just theories. With that being said, I did have to remove two posters recently- despite them being huge fans of the forum. I don't think either meant harm- but one was rude in his replies- even after my numerous lectures to him about being careful in the way he came across- and also acted like I committed murder myself whenever I made a minor typo or error- and the other wasn't rude per se but made a mess out of the forum- posting cases in the wrong sections, making new threads for cases we already had even after telling him to please Google/search our site for them, replying to things we already discussed etc... even after I gave him guidelines and told him to only post in off-topic so I could handle his madness lol. I don't want to sound anal-retentive and like a control freak but unintentional chaos is still chaos. (The latter I know is still a huge fan of the forum and thankfully doesn't hate me for removing him- so if he's reading this I didn't mean to insult him and I say hi lol). The reason I'm bringing this up is that is nice that even when I have to remove people, it's usually for innocent reasons and them not being bad people but just bad fits for message boards, as opposed to the jump to conclusions mob-mentality web sleuths I've seen in this documentary and elsewhere on the internet. I do think we need to be more careful overall in these cases (not us as in the message board but us in the overall sleuthing community), but I'm also grateful for everyone here and their overall maturity. I can't wait for In Pursuit to finally come back (and we'll see about AMW) so we can hopefully add some more great posters! I remember bringing up the Elisa Lam case on the off topic thread in 2016 when I was new to the forum, it’s a very creepy case considering the circumstances that there’s a lot of events that occurred without explanation like her behavior in the elevator and how she ended up in the water tank. Sorry I didn't know you did but didn't mean to indirectly criticize you in any way. I looked and now remember agreeing with you the description you gave was creepy but I'm going to be honest and admit I didn't watch your youtube, I only agreed with you it was creepy based on your description. I'm basically giving away the documentary but it turns out the case wasn't as creepy as it appeared now that I actually watched videos about the case (sorry for pretending to view your links- I was probably busy lol)- A) Elisa was acting erratically even before her death. She gave some sort of note at a tv show taping and was kicked out of the show B) She had a history of acting strange when off her meds. C) She was being disruptive at the hotel even before her death- leaving notes telling her rommates to go away D) It turns out there's ladder from the top floor fire escape that has to be available in case of emergencies- it seems the most likely way she ended up on the roof was climbing the ladder. E) It turns out the water tank roof was open when Elisa was found- not closed after all. The mainteance man said it was open but a police spokesman misspoke. She had a history of thinking she was being chased by people and dove into the tank and drowned by accident. F) There's a button where you can make the elevator stay open- hence why it was staying open when she was pressing all those buttons G) The video was choppy but it seems the way the media sent it out- plus sometimes videos are edited because they only want certain things shown. But basically, the docuseries breaks down how every weird thing about the video was actually easily explainable after all. Basically, it was a sad case of a girl with a mental illness that had a manic episode (while everyone forgets Morbid also became a mental health victim- yeah he sang songs about death and perhaps went a little far with it but it was still his free speech) that internet sleuths blew way out of proportion and made may way more creepy than it appeared. I'm not saying this as a criticism but as a precaution to be wary of internet sleuth YouTubers as they can easily manipulate and aren't the experts they often pretend to be. |
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