Abigail Williams & Liberty German Killer- IN- 2017 (ARREST!)

I wanted to bump up Abby & Libby's case(s) since we haven't talked about them in a while and they still deserve justice.

Recently, I've been reading the book "Mindhunter" (which is now a Netflix series) by legendary FBI criminal profiler John Douglas. It's basically about how instead of forensics and DNA, he helps solve cases through doing analysis of what he thinks is a psychological profile of the subject (is he a loner type, what kind of profession he may have etc...)

So I thought based on that I wanted to look at this case from more of a psychological angle rather than just discussing the evidence (the audio and video sketches etc...)

I am not blasphemous or delusional enough to think I will be anywhere near as accurate as Mr. Douglas, with his decades of training and real-life experiences. I could be entirely off-base and probably will be on at least some of these theories. But I figure if I add mine, some of you guys/girls who are fellow posters can come up with your own theories as to who this guy is as well and it could be potentially helpful.

It is also hard since some details are being withheld. (Understandably withheld though).

-My strongest hunch is that Abby and Libby's killer is ex-military. I say this because of the way he gave directives, and his seeming general movement and prancing about the woods with a weapon. It's also possible he spent time in prison, since he would have picked up on directive lingo from there, but I still feel more strongly about the military angle (or perhaps both).

-I do not believe the killer has had children before. I say this based on the callousness of the crime. I feel it is possible that he wanted children but never could, be it failed relationships or sexual impotence.

-There seems to be some debate as to whether this is a serial killer type or crime of opportunity. Once again, this information doesn't seem to public but I feel like a lot depends on how Abby and Libby's bodies were found. I feel like if this was a one-time thing, there would have been some way of expression of remorse- leaves scattered around Abby and Libby, hands held together... as far as I know, there wasn't, leading me to believe someone this cold and callous has done this before. He may or may not have started the day planning to kill two young girls, but he has killed before.

-I know police don't believe this case is connected to Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins but I respectfully believe it is a possibility. It's the same type of crime, two pre-teen girls abducted while hanging out together, later found dead. One thing Iearned from 'Mindhunter' is some serial killers don't kill each victim the exact same way but have a "signature" as to who their victims were.

-Often when a killer is caught, people are shocked at who is accused. I feel if anyone knows this guy, and he's thankfully caught, they wouldn't be entirely surprised. He's a loner/weirdo who keeps to himself. Most guys with active social lives aren't walking around the woods of a small town in Indiana.

-He is probably a drifter and may take handyman work from time to time in order to survive. (He may be a social outcast, but he needs to make money somehow). The FBI involvement suggests it's believed he is from out of state. Something causes a person to move, leading once again to my theory that he perhaps was in a relationship or at the very least didn't get along with his family and left the state he was in to start a new life.

These are just some of what I'm theorizing, but curious to hear from others what are opinions are on who this sick POS is as a "human" as opposed to just the evidence in this case.

Ah, interesting. You never know until the one day the suspect is hopefully caught but it does sound midwestern. Sometimes people don't sound like where they're from, however. (I don't think people can guess where I'm from based based on my voice at least).

It's been two years since Abby and Libby were murdered.  We still don't know the identity of the suspect (someone should have IDd him by now).

This is sad case, I hoped they catch that creep soon.

P.S. The fox 59 link includes new audio and the man saying down the hill sounds younger on it as well.

P.P.S. The irony is so many men were said to be possible suspects because they "looked like the sketch" and now it turns out this new sketch is very different.

Listening to the new audio portion, the bit where the suspect says says, “Guys” sounds substantially different to when he says, “Down the hill”, which leads me to believe the audio may have been damaged somehow. Thing is, I don’t believe the cops are any closer to solving this case. The fact that the IN State Police Superintendent noted that they were employing a different investigative approach and the fact that they released new audio and video leads me to believe they are at a dead end.