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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 12, 2015 18:09:49 GMT -5
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Post by vigilanti on Jul 12, 2015 20:39:00 GMT -5
I'm elated to hear that Interpol is now involved - I'd suppose they probably have more influence in Egypt and the Middle East of Yaser is indeed there. He could be in Mexico for all I know, however.
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Post by vigilanti on Jul 15, 2015 4:44:26 GMT -5
I'm guessing he probably snuck back into Egypt under an assumed identity due to the fact that he's been at large for over seven years. I'd probably have done that were I him. He doesn't seem highly intelligent and seems like the type of fugitive who would do something blatantly stupid that would result in attention from the authorities if he were in the U.S. However, I may be underestimating him and wanted individuals often do unexpected things that run contrary their profiles.
I must admit that I'm not very familiar with Egyptian affairs, but I get the impression that while killing your children is a big deal in the US, many Middle Eastern countries have much more threatening things to invest their time and money in combating (such as IS) than one man who killed his children being there. I'm sure it's happened, but I don't remember the last time I heard of an American fugitive being captured in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Algeria, or any such country (unless you count Ramzi Yousef or bin Laden or other al Qaeda figures, who while mostly not having been residents of the U.S. were wanted by the U.S., albeit for being terror leaders instead of "simply" murderers). in my opinion, a highly concerted effort by the FBI and/or other non-Egyptian authorities in conjunction with the Egyptian government would be required to apprehend Said were he in Egypt.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 15, 2015 14:36:01 GMT -5
AMW actually had a direct capture in Egypt (Dr. Mohammed Ali, wanted for raping a patient under anesthesia), but that was all the way back in 1992. Don't know how they got him extradited but they did. But I do admit if Said is in Egypt, it will take some prodding and convincing but hopefully it will happen.
I still feel there's reasons to believe he can possibly be in NYC (Yaser has a P.O. box in Westchester which was found by the PI), or even still in Texas (where the Price of Honor mentions he has family who could easily hide him in plain sight). In addition, I learned recently Ghada Said case, Yaser's brother helped her flee to Canada before finally she wound up in what's now believed to be Egypt. Also, in the Charley Project description of the Ghada Said case, it mentions Ghada's daughter was born in Burbank, California. So believe it or not, I feel Southern California should actually be considered a possibility as well. (Although I admit it's the least likely of all the locations).
(P.S. I should mention I actually got to see The Price of Honor through this site (excellent movie btw), unfortunately I couldn't share the link with anybody. I don't know how much I'm allowed to share and if I can go into more detail than the short blurbs I've already mentioned, but the movie is another reason I consider hiding in plain sight in Texas a serious possibility and, California a long-shot possibility).
My biggest fear is Yaser living with Ghada in Egypt, where Iman Aletnaway (Ghada's daughter) is around 16 now, and not far away from being married off.
While I am in complete agreement, Egypt makes the most sense, there is reason to be cautiously optimistic Yaser could possibly still be in the states or even Canada and can still be captured in North America.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 18, 2015 10:59:25 GMT -5
Interesting blog from PI Bill Warner. While The Hunt episode received generally positive reviews, Bill Warner was not a fan of it. He claims the PI CNN used is not a licensed private investigator, and also complained The Hunt rehashed old story lines and didn't reveal anything new. He is upset specifically at the no mentions of: "No new connections or links for Yaser Said, no mention of the NYC FBI office getting involved and the $100,000 reward for Yaser and no mention of the new Interpol Red Notice Arrest Alert for Yaser Said." He also claims this in regards to the focus on a lot of people thinking Said is in Egypt: "The storyline of Yaser Said on CNN's "The Hunt with John Walsh" indicated that Yaser visited Egypt several times before he murdered his daughters and that each time he took at least $10,000 in cash with him, what the hell? Yaser Said had no secondary education and few skills, he worked part time as a cab driver, he never owned his own cab, he leased or rented one, the family lived in an assortment of run down apartments, they had no money." I agree with Warner somewhat. Although we all knew about Yaser molesting Sarah and Amina (and I knew about the Egypt dowry aspect), it was new information to a lot of long-time AMW/Hunt fans who only followed the case on tv. And even though the episode was basically a one-hour retelling, I thought they did re-tell the story in a beautiful way. I enjoyed the episode, and would give it a grade of an A minus or B plus, and the reason the grade isn't higher is like Warner, I was upset they didn't go into enough specifics regarding possible leads or whereabouts for Said. I thought part of Walsh's argument for giving fugitives longer profiles was to go into more details that would help tip-wise. The Hunt unfortunately only goes into more detail story-wise, but not tip-wise sometimes. The more people who just follow the case on tv and have no law enforcement background just assume Yaser is in Egypt, the more I am personally convinced that he's not. Based on Bill Warner, AMW's old Said profile's listed possible locations, The Price of Honor, Ghada Said who is Yaser's sister's possible locations, the following are locations besides Egypt I feel should be listed as possible locations: -New York City metro area or Westchester -Dallas/Fort Woth Texas. (Hiding in plain sight, well connected brothers who live in Texas) -Canada -Southern California (Yaser's sister's daughter born in Burbank) -Tennessee (Possible location for Yaser's sister) -Virginia (Possible location listed on AMW) -Maryland or outside of DC (Because they're next to Virginia/Beltway connection) With NYC or hiding in plain sight being the most likely scenario opinion. Might Yaser have wound up in Egypt after all? Absolutely. But we cannot focus on Egypt and cannot ASSUME anything. We have to focus on possible locations in the United States and even Canada as well. I will stress that until the cows come home. www.billwarnerpi.com/2015/07/cnns-hunt-with-john-walsh-sunday-with.html |
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Post by vigilanti on Jul 18, 2015 18:40:54 GMT -5
I have to agree - I'm somewhat disappointed that a show called "The Hunt" seems to pay more attention to what's done (e.g., the crime and those affected) instead of how to spot and catch fugitives. In the Said episode, only the last 2 minutes at most talked about his characteristics. I did think the videos of Yaser were a good inclusion, however.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 19, 2015 16:33:15 GMT -5
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Post by vigilanti on Jul 25, 2015 9:04:47 GMT -5
I just read the following interesting article on the Said case that was written in 2008: www.dallasobserver.com/news/american-girls-6419640It offers insight into Yaser's personality and the events leading up to the murders from one of his brothers and other acquaintances. I get the impression that there has been bad blood between the Owens and Said families for quite some time, and the article also mentions the struggles Yaser and his family were going through. As with other individuals we have seen kill their family members, it seems that there was a "nice Yaser" and a "mean Yaser" personality within the man, and also the possibility that Yaser may have felt shame that he could not properly provide for his family, which also seems to be a common theme with family killers. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 25, 2015 9:35:16 GMT -5
The marriage was doomed from the start when Yaser married a 15-year old girl and undersold how much money his family really had probably so he could get a Green Card.
And yeah as we've seen from other family killers such as Robert Fisher, they may have a "Jekyll and Hyde personality." Some of the videos on The Hunt and elsewhere show a heartily laughing and jovial Yaser. However, there is also evidence of the darker side of his personality (including that Fox News link where Yaser is spying on Sarah working at a convenience store and says "she's in trouble" because she smiled at a customer).
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Post by vigilanti on Jul 25, 2015 11:56:07 GMT -5
And many of them probably do seem like nice people, but you had better do what they say, or else! That's the message I get when I look at that photo of Yaser pointing at the camera with a stern expression on his face. It's life under them or not at all, and many seem reserved and pleasant at most times but then burst into a rage when things don't go their way. This appears to have been the case with Bishop, Fisher, and Said as well.
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Post by King Of Clubs on Dec 4, 2015 19:37:43 GMT -5
Well Yaser has been on the Top 10 list for exactly a year today, with as far as I know not much progress in finding him. This worries me that he may have fled the country. If that is so, hopefully the damn politics behind this case won't prevent extradition.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 4, 2015 19:56:22 GMT -5
I still hold out hope he can be captured in the U.S. if he's still trying to drive a taxi. But if he did flee to Egypt, I hope they make a statement and send him back here.
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Post by vigilanti on Dec 5, 2015 10:13:05 GMT -5
I'm back!
Of course, Yaser could be hiding in Antarctica for all we know. However, if I were him I would either try to blend in in an Arabic/Muslim community in a non-Middle Eastern country or go back to Egypt or another Middle Eastern country. I would try not to stand out, which of course is what often leads to unwanted attention and apprehension of a fugitive. I am inclined to believe that were he still in the US someone would have noticed and cashed in on their $100K reward by now, but anything's possible. We can't assume that his family is hiding him, although that's always a possibility and many fugitives have been assisted by family members in the past. It's also possible they gave him some money and then he disappeared. However, just because they haven't always been accommodating of the media does not prove their complicity with Yaser.
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Post by King Of Clubs on Dec 5, 2015 12:23:58 GMT -5
I'm back! Of course, Yaser could be hiding in Antarctica for all we know. However, if I were him I would either try to blend in in an Arabic/Muslim community in a non-Middle Eastern country or go back to Egypt or another Middle Eastern country. I would try not to stand out, which of course is what often leads to unwanted attention and apprehension of a fugitive. I am inclined to believe that were he still in the US someone would have noticed and cashed in on their $100K reward by now, but anything's possible. We can't assume that his family is hiding him, although that's always a possibility and many fugitives have been assisted by family members in the past. It's also possible they gave him some money and then he disappeared. However, just because they haven't always been accommodating of the media does not prove their complicity with Yaser. True! But it has to make you think! I know that Yaser's brother, Yassein, cursed and insulted the newsman when FOX attempted to interview him. I am aware that lots of family members don't cooperate, but that sharp of a reaction makes me think that there is something to hide. |
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Post by vigilanti on Dec 5, 2015 13:15:40 GMT -5
I agree - he (Yassein) would be the one I would most suspect of helping Yaser. We may not be certain until Yaser is apprehended, if even then. Another brother (Mohsen) allegedly "cussed out" and threatened the director of the Price of Honor movie (a movie profiling Yaser and his alleged crimes). I could see being unnerved by all of the media attention drawn on me were I a close relative of an infamous fugitive, but I would learn to expect it and try to deal with it in a rational manner. After all, family is usually the first thing investigators focus on when there is a fugitive on the lam.
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