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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 25, 2017 4:29:46 GMT -5
Here's the Reddit Unresolved Mysteries thread on Fisher: www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5xoq71/where_is_fbis_most_wanted_robert_william_fisher/-As far as the being dead argument, one person who claims to be familiar with the Tonto National Forest seems to think so, so there's that. -The most intriguing argument comes from someone who says a neighbor called 911 a year after Fisher disappeared, claiming she saw a man outside a taxi looking at the burnt concerete slab that was the Fisher home. That person according to caller, was Fisher. The poster admits they haven't been able to find the article on that to back up their claim, but it is intriguing if true. I sound like a broken record but I've changed my mind so many times about Fisher being dead or alive and I'm still undecided and torn after reading the good arguments on the Reddit thread as well. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 25, 2017 10:46:45 GMT -5
Here's the Reddit Unresolved Mysteries thread on Fisher: www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5xoq71/where_is_fbis_most_wanted_robert_william_fisher/-As far as the being dead argument, one person who claims to be familiar with the Tonto National Forest seems to think so, so there's that. -The most intriguing argument comes from someone who says a neighbor called 911 a year after Fisher disappeared, claiming she saw a man outside a taxi looking at the burnt concerete slab that was the Fisher home. That person according to caller, was Fisher. The poster admits they haven't been able to find the article on that to back up their claim, but it is intriguing if true. I sound like a broken record but I've changed my mind so many times about Fisher being dead or alive and I'm still undecided and torn after reading the good arguments on the Reddit thread as well. Fisher dressing as a woman would be very strange and unlike him, however it’s a likely theory for Jason Brown, but then again it explains why Fisher has lasted as long as he has. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 13, 2017 17:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Feb 16, 2018 13:00:55 GMT -5
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Post by Maddog on Mar 8, 2018 20:23:10 GMT -5
I believe Robert's still alive. Here's the thing: There is ample evidence he was planning this well in advance: He stopped talking to some of his friends months in advance, and he did let his gym membership lapse six months before the killings. Additionally, his church attendance became more spotty. I think he had this planned out well in advance and that would explain how he's been able to stay out there so long. Some of these parricide crimes are planned out way in advance which explains why some of the suspects stay out there so long (i.e. John List, Brad Bishop, etc.). I think the fact that there were witnesses who saw him walking away from Tonto (they suspected it was him), coupled with the fact that none of his clothing/guns taken with him never have been found indicates to me that he had help getting out of the area.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 9, 2018 5:55:08 GMT -5
I believe Robert's still alive. Here's the thing: There is ample evidence he was planning this well in advance: He stopped talking to some of his friends months in advance, and he did let his gym membership lapse six months before the killings. Additionally, his church attendance became more spotty. I think he had this planned out well in advance and that would explain how he's been able to stay out there so long. Some of these parricide crimes are planned out way in advance which explains why some of the suspects stay out there so long (i.e. John List, Brad Bishop, etc.). I think the fact that there were witnesses who saw him walking away from Tonto (they suspected it was him), coupled with the fact that none of his clothing/guns taken with him never have been found indicates to me that he had help getting out of the area. I do think that is a very solid point that all of Fisher’s belongings have never been recovered especially after almost 17 years on the run. I sometimes tend to think that Fisher is either dead or alive, but I think that Fisher is still alive and the only reason why he’s managed to stay at large for this long is because he’s a loner and won’t attract any attention to himself. |
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Post by Maddog on Mar 10, 2018 4:01:37 GMT -5
Plus, the FBI Agent assigned to his case says a challenging aspect of this case is that he has a "common person" look. He resembles a lot of other people. That same agent said he's up to "twenty twin brothers" of his.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 13, 2018 4:29:03 GMT -5
Realized I never replied. Fisher and Jason Derek Brown have both been hard to find for being too common.
As I said before, maddog, you have very good convincing skills, as I've changed my mind on cases like three times already based on your information already lol, but Fisher is the one case where I'm torn. This might make me sound wishy-washy but for the most part I'm dead set in my ways/beliefs and thankfully you have a great memory of these cases to help me expand my previous assumptions with new information that I didn't previously know about.
However, Fisher is the one case I've admittedly always been wishy-washy on. Usually when it comes to dead or alive, I'm convinced one way or the other, but there's such strong arguments for both scenarios here, it's hard to come to a foregone conclusion, and for my broken record again, one day I think Fisher's dead, and the next day I think he's alive, and then the next two days vice versa and so on.
On one hand, I hope Fisher is already dead because of the pain Bill Cooper went through while he was still alive. I'd like to think he wasn't suffering while Fisher was still getting away with it. On the other hand, if Fisher is dead already, we may never find his body.
As you've stated, there does seem to be evidence that he was planning a run.
In the sense of hopefully providing justice, I hope you're right and he's still alive.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 21, 2018 20:21:07 GMT -5
I’m actually curious to know, just how cocky arrogant Fisher may be (if he’s still alive) since he’s now the longest running fugitive on the current Ten Most Wanted List since Victor Gerena was removed in December 2016 (and no Fisher is not the record holder).
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 21, 2018 20:24:29 GMT -5
As far as cocky thinking he's never going to get caught? Perhaps in the same boat as Jason Derek Brown. This is in some weird way I feel actually one of the better arguments I feel for Fisher being dead though- is everyone said the same thing about Shane Miller- oh no he didn't kill himself- he was way too cocky and arrogant to do that- and then later they found his body and he had killed himself after all. It's a different dynamic when you allegedly bludgeon your family and set your house on fire- but once again there's been very good arguments on both sides of the dead vs. alive debate.
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Post by Maddog on Apr 2, 2018 2:09:13 GMT -5
There is evidence that a woman helped Fisher escape that night (perhaps an affair we didn't know about?). Fisher rarely drank, but someone fitting his description went to a bar with a woman the night after the blast (the bar has since closed), and while the man ordered a drink and nervously paced, the woman went into the restroom and threw up. Fisher rarely drank (this is according to the FBI Ten Most Wanted book by Dary Matera), but interestingly, according to sources, the man ordered a very distinct drink that Fisher was very fond of (reportedly, it was Johnnie Walker Red).
If this is the case, I wouldn't doubt that this woman helped him flee the area.
According to previous AMW airings, the best tips on Fisher have come from Mexico as of late (and there is evidence he may need a cane to get around). Detective John Kirkham was one of the original detectives on this case, and before his death, it was his belief that Robert fled to an English-speaking area of Mexico, too.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 2, 2018 3:39:58 GMT -5
Oh wow didn't know about that.
My personal feeling is that if Fisher's alive he's not living in the woods like some people think or keeping to hinlmself.
I feel/fear he will be more like John List and will have started a new family of his own (as opposed to Brad Bishop, who I feel became a loner and is a loner if alive).
Even in Mexico, if that woman existed, he could have tween-teenage children with her by now.
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Post by Maddog on Apr 2, 2018 16:37:49 GMT -5
In case you were wondering, the bartender at the time found it suspicious, but no, he didn't keep the glass (he washed it afterwards), so it's clean for DNA.
It was revealed by Kirkham in an interview that there were scant pine needles on the top of Mary's SUV when they found it in Tonto National Forest, which means it had been there within 24 hours of its discovery. A woman and her husband reported a day later to the police that they were pretty certain they saw Robert climbing a service road out of Tonto.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 2, 2018 22:50:33 GMT -5
Oh wow didn't know about that. My personal feeling is that if Fisher's alive he's not living in the woods like some people think or keeping to hinlmself. I feel/fear he will be more like John List and will have started a new family of his own (as opposed to Brad Bishop, who I feel became a loner and is a loner if alive). Even in Mexico, if that woman existed, he could have tween-teenage children with her by now. I used to think that as recently as 2014 or 2015 about him living in the woods to himself, but now I just feel like Fisher lives normally like the rest of us. The thing is the close proximity of Scottsdale, Arizona to the Mexican border, would make sense that he has been living there ever since. However to me Canada is still in mind, since there is more rural (yet cold) areas there, especially in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Fisher having a new family is likely, and if the woman exists, she would’ve had to have been younger than the age of 35 in 2001/2002, so approximately 18-35, if they were to have had children. That woman today would have to be about 34-52 years old as of 2018. While it isn’t known if Fisher spoke any other languages, Maricopa County does have a significant Hispanic population, so unless he picked up some Spanish while living in Scottsdale, I guess it could’ve helped him on the run. Then again Fisher was alleged to have bought insurance for the car in Mexico (don’t know if anyone can confirm or debunk this). |
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Post by Maddog on Apr 4, 2018 3:35:52 GMT -5
You are correct about the insurance rider in Mexico - It was in Dary Matera's book.
Problem with the insurance rider, though: He left the SUV in the forest, and his Pick-up at the crime scene. I think it was originally his plan to flee to Mexico with the truck, but he abandoned that idea.
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