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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 3, 2021 12:12:04 GMT -5
I mean by having US Authorities adding Yulan Carias, Honduras has to also address the elephant in the room which is Alexis Flores.
As bad as Robert Fisher was, I admit, 19 years without a capture, I think it’s time to move on as far as the Top Ten List is concerned, but as far as catching him, it’s still on like Donkey Kong.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 3, 2021 12:14:02 GMT -5
Yeah I didn't think about the Flores factor so I'm now not as upset as I initially was- but I still feel the FBI needs to address the elephant in the room, and in the future think about catchable domestic fugitives for the top ten and perhaps create a special list for the gang and cartel leaders and such like they did with the most wanted terrorists.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 3, 2021 17:10:41 GMT -5
I’ll admit I had a strong hunch the past 2 weeks or so that someone was going to be removed before the end of the year, given how stagnant the list has been for 30 months or since the capture of Lamont Stephenson in March 2019, with a brief pause from June to August 2020, with the captures of Santiago Mederos and Yaser Said, and it was just inevitable given there hasn’t been a capture in 2021 yet.
Personally I thought it would’ve been Alexis Flores, but in a way I’m shocked it was Fisher and kinda not surprised they picked Fisher as it’s been 19 years and nothing, even with that media parade that went on during this past spring, nothing came of it.
Going forward I hope the FBI, upon having a few slots open up, will make their list more diverse crime and individual wise.
Fugitives I’d add going forward
• Michael Pratt
• Hung Tien Pham
• Kevin Lamont Carter
• Gregory Robert Whitehead
• Steven Eugene Clifford
• Andre Fleurentin
• Bob Tang
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 4, 2021 22:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah that is also my complaint here is there are plenty of good non-hispanic candidates for the list. Although I want to clarify since this may also be controversial- but it's not just a Hispanic thing but just what the list is supposed to be used for thing- and now that we have a most wanted terrorists list for example- I would argue even Osama Bin Laden wouldn't be a fit for the list in 2021. Back on 9/11 there was no such list. But in 2021 in addition to that, everyone would know he was anyway and it would be an intelligence operation. In my opinion, there needs to be a special crime boss/drug boss list separate from the criminal enterprise section so that the FBI can have more catchable fugitives and a less stagnant list.
I'm a little less upset now because of the Alexis Flores factor but that's the thing is that in my opinion- Carias is basically like a war operation, not a general tipster operation.
I don't want to sound like a broken record but once again it's not about how evil someone is- but how they fit the list. There are ways to publicize crime boss cases without the list and not highlighting more catchable also dangerous fugitives.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 4, 2021 22:33:02 GMT -5
And another thing lol- I have absolute faith Carias etc... can be caught and I'm not saying they're uncatchable, just I feel they're going to be caught because of war-like intelligence operations and the list will really have nothing to do with their apprehensions. (I would love to be proven wrong though).
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 5, 2021 0:07:48 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but it feels weird not seeing the (Added in 2002) under Fisher’s thread anymore.
The hunt for Carias will be conducted like war intelligence similar to Mexico and their war with drug cartels, but with Carias I don’t think he’ll go down alive, given how he was broken out of prison in Honduras and the fact that it was all caught on surveillance.
It’s kinda like this, back in the 1970s it was all about adding Vietnam War protestors, and after Osama was killed no more terrorists were allowed on the list, but now MS 13 and Mexican Drug Traffickers are the biggest problem in 2021.
Not downplaying MS 13 or drug traffickers, but this is all Tiny Hands fault in causing all this with his rhetoric and perhaps Biden (also Merrick Garland), not wanting to look weak, doubled down on the war on MS13 and other Latin American players.
You notice the additions of previous MS13 members like Edwin Rivera Gracias, and Juan Elias Garcia in 2013 and 2014, they were both sought for murdering someone, one by beating a man to death and the other a woman execution style, but then you fast forward to 2017 with Walter Yovany Gomez, it’s a murder and racketeering case, now in 2021 with Yulan Archaga Carias it’s a full fledge arms trafficking, cocaine Trafficking and Racketeering…. No mention of murder charges in the United States.
For goodness sakes he was added because an indictment was unsealed the day of his addition similar to Rafael Caro-Quintero.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 5, 2021 0:52:25 GMT -5
It is ironic that despite Trump's rhetoric, the list never had this many hispanic fugitives until Biden, but then again the agency is still being run by Trump's hand-picked FBI director.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 10, 2021 21:48:37 GMT -5
I wanted to ask everyone what their thoughts are about guys like Daniel San Diego and/or Timothy Coombs making the FBI Top Ten List if and when slots start to open up?
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Post by Maddog on Nov 10, 2021 22:24:46 GMT -5
Both are possibilities, but I don’t think strong ones.
I doubt the FBI is going to add someone on the Most Wanted Terrorist list to their Ten Most Wanted List, since San Diego is already getting a lot of publicity that way.
With Coombs, there hasn’t been any evidence he committed other crimes while on the run, and not only that, the victim in his case is deceased, which may present some challenges later in prosecuting him.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 11, 2021 0:24:26 GMT -5
I know I sound like someone who is never going to he satisfied but as much as I've felt the list has lacked diversity lately I feel neither is a fit for the list. San Diego is already on the MW terrorist list and Timothy Coombs along with the other issues maddog mentioned I feel is likely deceased himself- I can't believe he's stayed out of trouble this long.
The one caveat I'll give is San Diego unlike other most wanted terrorists could be caught via a public tip and it's not just a war-like operation like I've been complaining about recently.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 13, 2021 3:46:16 GMT -5
I know I sound like someone who is never going to he satisfied but as much as I've felt the list has lacked diversity lately I feel neither is a fit for the list. San Diego is already on the MW terrorist list and Timothy Coombs along with the other issues maddog mentioned I feel is likely deceased himself- I can't believe he's stayed out of trouble this long. The one caveat I'll give is San Diego unlike other most wanted terrorists could be caught via a public tip and it's not just a war-like operation like I've been complaining about recently. I just figured now that Robert Fisher is off the list, that the Top Ten List to some degree has sort of an identity crisis as he was one of the most well known fugitives and perhaps the FBI may be considering someone more well known to make up for losing Fisher.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 13, 2021 3:52:10 GMT -5
Maybe. I just feel like lately the FBI has been losing sight of what the list is for. I know it sounds contradictory- they technically are adding the absolute worst guys on the planet- and technically it is supposed to be the worst of the worst- it's just they're adding people they're basically at war with as opposed to people who need the list's publicity and resources to catch them.
This might be a weird analogy- and I stress I'm Jewish when I say this- but if there was an FBI Top Ten list around during World War II Hitler wouldn't have been on it since we were ready at war with him and targeting him anyway. Its not like someone had to go "Oh wow this Hitler guy they just added sounds awful." I know Carias and Caro-Quintero aren't as well known but it's still like a similar type of scenario.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 23, 2021 20:22:55 GMT -5
I’m going to call it now and say there certainly won’t be a capture in 2021 and even though it’s upsetting, I just hope the lack of captures in 2021, will make it up for it in 2022 by having 2 or 3 fugitives listed as captured.
I also made a small list of fugitives who should be added to the Top Ten List when slots start to open up eventually
• Michael Pratt; considered as our top candidate on the forum
• Joe Constance; someone the FBI probably should and needs to add
• Esnel Jean; Robert Fisher’s spiritual replacement, who is pretty deserving
• Bob Tang; just decided to mention him to not make the list too cold and with fbi Most Wanted drug trafficker Tyler Pham being returned from Vietnam earlier this week, I think Cambodia will do the same with Tang
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 23, 2021 20:34:09 GMT -5
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe they'd have a capture if they would have added more catchable domestic fugitives as opposed to war fugitives more likely to be caught by intelligence operations, but I digress...
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Post by phishakid10 on Dec 7, 2021 9:09:25 GMT -5
How can we get a page and thread started on Omar Cardenas? Just went up on the FBI website under murder
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