|
Post by ninja108 on Aug 7, 2019 17:12:17 GMT -5
Just wanted to state in fairness that the Dayton shooter was apparently left-wing and anti-police. But it doesn't take away from the fact hate crimes and violence with racial factors as motivation have went up since Trump's election, and there is always denials from the right or they call it one incident but then they'll exaggerate and exploit when the shooter is left-wing. (I don't approve of what actor Jussie Smollett allegedly did for example, but that's one guy's actions exploited for political purposes, unfortunately he didn't help the situation if he made up the attack because as we can see racial violence is real). There's nothing to suggest the Dayton shooter was motivated by political beliefs though unlike the El Paso shooter. One thing he does have in common with many other shooters,whatever their political leanings are is a hatred of women.
|
|
|
Post by 912thamwuser on Aug 7, 2019 17:53:39 GMT -5
Just wanted to state in fairness that the Dayton shooter was apparently left-wing and anti-police. But it doesn't take away from the fact hate crimes and violence with racial factors as motivation have went up since Trump's election, and there is always denials from the right or they call it one incident but then they'll exaggerate and exploit when the shooter is left-wing. (I don't approve of what actor Jussie Smollett allegedly did for example, but that's one guy's actions exploited for political purposes, unfortunately he didn't help the situation if he made up the attack because as we can see racial violence is real). There's nothing to suggest the Dayton shooter was motivated by political beliefs though unlike the El Paso shooter. One thing he does have in common with many other shooters,whatever their political leanings are is a hatred of women. I concur. The perpetrator of the Dayton Ned Peppers Massacre might've supported Elizabeth Warren, but I think it was just incidental. I support Elizabeth Warren on the grounds that she built the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which returned several Gigadollars to the working class' pockets that had been ripped off by Wall Street corporations, in response to the '008 investment banking industry bailout. Regulating the financial sector and cracking down on corporations like Goldman-Sachs is her policy wheelhouse. But with all the string-trigger tempers on the extreme right, and the "both sides" argument from the 45th administration relayed by today's Third Way Centrists, I felt blamed for an equal amount of sorrow, death, and destruction as white nationalistic terrorists, simply because I supported the same politician who led the charge to crack down on Wall Street, along with other left-wing policies that are now considered radical far leftist extremism, such as stepping up efforts to protect racial, ethnic, religious, and sexual minorities from bias crimes, bias-based evictions, bias-based job terminations, and other forms of severe systemic discrimination, which Antifa has suddenly been turned into a symbol of in recent years. Antifa's mild to moderate property crimes have been exaggerated and exploited by hard-right tabloids, and 3rd-way centrists and corporate status quo apologists have eaten that up for the most part. To make matters worse, someone on social media blamed it all on the left for letting more people die in these gun massacres because the left generally doesn't think trying to beat a bad guy with a gun to the trigger is a good idea. I warned him that it's in my better interests to flee rather than take a mass shooter head on, because I was born with weaker practical judgment and problem solving skills. I told him I'm not about to presume that I'm a good shot with a gun because I've never even tried one out. He characterized me as a filthy, low-life coward who would deliberately let more victims die just to save my own *as. He portrayed me, and other '990s and 00-Agents' Decade kids as boys with weak principles who don't own up to any of their responsibilities and are always desperate to skip out on them. He even went so far as to suggest I grew up to be a horrible excuse for a man , with no code of honor or moral compass, and that my father failed miserably at bringing me up properly or instilling any values in me. Where do people like that come from?
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Aug 7, 2019 18:01:02 GMT -5
912th, I wouldn't even bother on arguing with people like that on social media. There is no way to use logic or reason with those nutjobs.
It used to be back in the day, if someone was a Republican and you were a Democrat or vice versa you could disagree respectfully and both usually make good points.
Today's internet right-wingers are not the traditional conservatives where you can have a cordial conversation of agreeing to disagree (or in some cases even agreeing) on some issues. Trump supporters are different, it's mentally exhausting and like trying to argue with children. Pay them no mind.
|
|
|
Post by ninja108 on Aug 9, 2019 19:10:04 GMT -5
912th, I wouldn't even bother on arguing with people like that on social media. There is no way to use logic or reason with those nutjobs. It used to be back in the day, if someone was a Republican and you were a Democrat or vice versa you could disagree respectfully and both usually make good points. Today's internet right-wingers are not the traditional conservatives where you can have a cordial conversation of agreeing to disagree (or in some cases even agreeing) on some issues. Trump supporters are different, it's mentally exhausting and like trying to argue with children. Pay them no mind. Sad to say but this isn't new. I remember during the W years that if you pointed out the Iraq war was a bad idea,you were akin to Osama Bin Laden.
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Aug 9, 2019 19:17:55 GMT -5
No it's not new unfortunately but imo on an even worse scale than even back then.
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Sept 1, 2019 22:32:40 GMT -5
And another one over the weekend in Odessa, Texas.
Like I said, this is just a thread for whenever we want to comment. It's not necessary to bring up every time there is a mass shooting but the theme of the thread is unfortunately we have accepted this as commonplace, and whenever we actually want to talk about it I feel we should post in this thread as a reminder about the inactions we as a society have taken.
|
|
|
Post by HeadMarshal on Sept 2, 2019 16:30:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately it’s come to be this, a wiki page referencing 2019 mass shootings in the US. It should noted that while people differing opinions on what is considered a “mass shooting”, I agree with the definition of four or more people (excluding the perpetrator) being killed and/or wounded in a shooting, regardless of motive. The reason I agree with the “regardless of motive” concept is that all of these victims are on that list because of a broken gun system. Whether it be robbery, dispute, domestic, gang, thrill kill, rampage killing, etc, all of the victims are relevant. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019As of August 31, 2019, the US has had 297 “mass shootings” with 335 murder victims and 1219 wounded.
|
|
|
Post by 912thamwuser on Sept 2, 2019 17:48:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately it’s come to be this, a wiki page referencing 2019 mass shootings in the US. It should noted that while people differing opinions on what is considered a “mass shooting”, I agree with the definition of four or more people (excluding the perpetrator) being killed and/or wounded in a shooting, regardless of motive. The reason I agree with the “regardless of motive” concept is that all of these victims are on that list because of a broken gun system. Whether it be robbery, dispute, domestic, gang, thrill kill, rampage killing, etc, all of the victims are relevant. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019As of August 31, 2019, the US has had 297 “mass shootings” with 335 murder victims and 1219 wounded. If a mass shooting means at least 4 casualties, then my 2nd most wanted fugitive of '009 and one of my own Dirty Dozen, Emmanuel Polanco Vanderhorst, is one of these mass shooters, and his name would go on a '006 mass shooting list that covers the US territories. He of all the still-wanted AMW fugitives would deserve an In Pursuit profile more than anyone in this political climate.
|
|
|
Post by HeadMarshal on Sept 2, 2019 18:00:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately it’s come to be this, a wiki page referencing 2019 mass shootings in the US. It should noted that while people differing opinions on what is considered a “mass shooting”, I agree with the definition of four or more people (excluding the perpetrator) being killed and/or wounded in a shooting, regardless of motive. The reason I agree with the “regardless of motive” concept is that all of these victims are on that list because of a broken gun system. Whether it be robbery, dispute, domestic, gang, thrill kill, rampage killing, etc, all of the victims are relevant. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019As of August 31, 2019, the US has had 297 “mass shootings” with 335 murder victims and 1219 wounded. If a mass shooting means at least 4 casualties, then my 2nd most wanted fugitive of '009 and one of my own Dirty Dozen, Emmanuel Polanco Vanderhorst, is one of these mass shooters, and his name would go on a '006 mass shooting list that covers the US territories. He of all the still-wanted AMW fugitives would deserve an In Pursuit profile more than anyone in this political climate. Emmanuel Vanderhorst would definitely count, along with Leonides Torres who was one of the original 50/50 fugitives from 2000.
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Sept 4, 2019 2:56:29 GMT -5
In an unprecedented move, Walmart, I repeat, WALMART- has agreed to end all ammunition sales of bullets that can be used in assault-style rifles, will no longer sell handguns in Alaska (the only state left where they sold handguns) and will request customers not bring guns into their stores, even states with open carry laws. Now this isn't perfect, Walmart will continue to sell long barrel deer rifles and shotguns and much of the ammunition for those guns. However, this is a start and better than what we previously had, considering Walmart has been a popular destination for gun nuts. (And once again before I offend anyone, I have no problem with those who have guns for home protection or other practical reasons, when I say gun nuts, I'm referring to extremists and people who sleep with a handgun under their pillow like its' their wife). So I can't believe I'm saying this but kudos to Walmart. If only our politicians could follow suit. www.cnn.com/2019/09/03/business/walmart-ends-handgun-ammo-sales/index.html
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Sept 14, 2019 16:24:32 GMT -5
Just wanted to commend Beto O'Rourke who at the last democratic debate when asked to comment on an assault weapons ban was asked if it meant he wanted to take people's guns away even if they already owned them (confiscating them) rather than beating around the bush like a typical politician said "hell yes we're going to take your AR-15, AK-47, we're not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore."
What's amazing me is how the media loves to be negative and try to make a narrative, trying to make it sound like what Beto said is actually bad for the party somehow since it will inspire those worried about their gun rights even more to vote against Democrats. First of all, even many gun owners are for sensible gun legislation. Second of all, I LOVED what Beto said and it's about time someone said it. What Beto said was amazing and a breath of fresh air from the usual "well we don't want to take your guns away but.."
By all means have a handgun to protect yourself. But you don't need an AK-47 to blast an intruder away like you're f***ing Rambo.
F**k your AK-47's, F*** your AR-15, just get a normal gun and use it to protect yourself.
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Sept 14, 2019 16:29:54 GMT -5
Also, if you're a gun nut who thinks they need an AK-47 to combat a burglar, chances are you're not voting democrat anyway.
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Nov 16, 2019 4:36:10 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by 912thamwuser on Nov 16, 2019 17:08:49 GMT -5
I wish we could LOCK UP extreme gun anarchist bribery liaisons like Wayne LaPierre and Larry Pratt, and his loyal gatekeeper Mitch McConnell for rigging the political system and obstructing the legislation that more than 7/10 of America KNOWS we need!
|
|
|
Post by Scumhunter on Dec 2, 2019 11:01:12 GMT -5
And another mass shooting, this time in New Orleans near the very busy French Quarter/tourist area, 3 years after a similar one.
I fell in love with New Orleans and its' people a few years ago and I'm a frequent visitor (most recently for Crimecon) and I hate to see this as this further adds to their reputation as a hotbed for crime, when lax gun laws are allowing these shootings to happen more frequently in the first place. Sort of changing the subject to a different city but I think it's a good comparison, people love the false fallacy of Chicago having the highest murder rate despite strictest gun laws, but they are right next to Indiana with very lax gun laws. (Not to mention, they don't actually care about Chicago or any other city they're talking about, they're just trying to win a political argument).
Personally, I wouldn't walk around Canal Street in New Orleans (where the shooting happened) at 3 am in the morning,I stay out late but not that late and if I did stay out that late I'd take an Uber, it's just personal advice if anyone visits there to have your wits about you, but it's a shame it's because you have to worry about mass shootings now (which can happen at any time also) in addition to general crime.
|
|