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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 29, 2019 18:18:51 GMT -5
Sorry for doing this but it's become apparently lately mass shootings have become like the weather on the news- it's now a daily routine part of it- as we have a do-nothing congress that does nothing about gun violence and a bunch of people who say "nothing will stop people from doing this" instead of at least offering solutions for us to at least attempt to cut back on the ridiculous trend we've had this century whether we can be successful or not. So I figured I should now make a thread so that any time a mass shooting happens (there's leeway to make a separate thread if it's on the Orlando/Las Vegas scale), we can mention it here if we want to talk about it.... Or we can just post this Onion article which was supposed to be satire every time this happens... www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527Either way, I figure we now have to have our own thread to keep track now. Feel free to comment away whenever you want to talk about the latest inevitable mass shooting or mass shootings in general.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Jul 29, 2019 23:43:41 GMT -5
The NRA was first built in the autumn of '871 to keep rifle owners of the time informed about gun legislation and update the people when laws were changed. In '934, they built a legislative affairs division, led by Karl Telford Frederick. Back then, Telford-Frederick and the NRA under him were dead center of the spectrum between loose and tight gun regulations. Then, in the mid '970s, they built a legislative affairs institute and a political victory fund, and that's where they started to drift towards looser gun laws. In '991, a complete sellout named Wayne LaPierre took over as chief executive officer, and turned the association into a glorified bribery front for gun manufacturing corporations. In '017, they brought Tea Party extremist Dana Loesch aboard as the spokesperson, after which the NRA really started acting like a charismatic cult. In February of '018, after the Stoneman-Douglas Massacre, NRATV's creepy ways boiled over into a tension-riddled feud between the extreme right and K-12 students all over TV and social media, which crashed the public's opinion of the NRA. By the spring of '019, the NRA had been hemorrhaging money for almost a year, so some of the NRA (likely the ones who were just principled enough not to serve as LaPierre's and Loesch's lapdogs) sued their public relations firm, Ackerman-McQueen for covering up their financial documents, and the NRATV network shut down shortly later. I hope these are signs that LaPierre's briberous and corrupt ways are finally catching up with the association.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Aug 3, 2019 18:58:41 GMT -5
I’ve given up now following the futile efforts to lower US gun violence (of all types of crimes) and the unnecessary tragedies that occur due to governmental inaction.
Publicizing fugitives, utilizing DNA technology for unsolved cases and spreading the word about missing people all have one thing in common, society can fight back against crime on those fronts.
Up here in Canada, we may have two young homicidal maniacs on the run, but there are some positives for us vs the United States.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 3, 2019 21:16:25 GMT -5
Yep, and right on cue, 20 dead in shooting at an El Paso Wal-Mart. But once again we just go "thoughts and prayers" and "unfortunately nothing can stop these from happening!" and move on with life for the time being (aside from the Parkland students getting some progress done, but it's not enough) www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-shooting/index.htmlP.S. I said it in other threads I don't like when people mock the saying "thoughts and prayers", there's nothing wrong with offering words of support and comfort during tragedies. The problem is thoughts and prayers are not enough. There needs to be more legislative action as well.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 4, 2019 7:37:10 GMT -5
And ANOTHER shooting in Dayton Ohio last night. But go ahead and say "gun laws won't prevent these tragedies from happening!" No one wants to take YOUR guns away if you aren't an irresponsible nutjob but unfortunately the NRA's propaganda and misinformation campaign and buying of politicians has helped spread this false narrative.
What's so hard about common sense gun laws like stricter background checks closing gunshot loopholes and putting a ban on assault weapons? A handgun is fine for home protection. You don't need a f**ing AK-47.
But any common sense law is "they're taking our guns away!" Ugh.
Unfortunately, I wish I didn't, but I had excellent timing with this thread.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Aug 4, 2019 9:29:29 GMT -5
Yep, and right on cue, 20 dead in shooting at an El Paso Wal-Mart. But once again we just go "thoughts and prayers" and "unfortunately nothing can stop these from happening!" and move on with life for the time being (aside from the Parkland students getting some progress done, but it's not enough) www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-paso-shooting/index.htmlP.S. I said it in other threads I don't like when people mock the saying "thoughts and prayers", there's nothing wrong with offering words of support and comfort during tragedies. The problem is thoughts and prayers are not enough. There needs to be more legislative action as well. Wanted to add that according to the BBC, there was an apparent manifesto posted by the gunman defending the attack as against "the Hispanic invasion of Texas." It should be noted that the gunman lived in Dallas, yet travelled several hours to El Paso which is a highly majority Hispanic border city. I'm also betting that as usual, Trump will condemn "the violence" but not the apparent "far-right wing extremist ideology." www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49226573
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Post by 912thamwuser on Aug 4, 2019 12:36:12 GMT -5
And a lot of the extreme right thinks the only solution is to get a gun of our own and beat the bad guy to the trigger. It reeks of astroturf propaganda disguised as grassroots activism. I hope Wayne LaPierre, Larry Pratt, Dana Loesch, the gun manufacturing profiteers who bribe them, and the corrupt (censored)s in office who take the bribes and throw their constituents under the bus, suffer some karmic retribution of some kind that fills them with remorse.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 4, 2019 17:35:11 GMT -5
To reply to 912th: That's also the dumbest thing about the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I think out of all the 500 plus mass shootings or whatever I've only heard of the shooter being taken down by a private citizen like twice. Some people somehow think these mass shootings are proof we need MORE GUNS and for everyone to be armed. The problem is when this situation happens unless you are a trained marksman from the military or otherwise or police officer, it's not that easy to stop the bad guy. You'll either freeze in fear and/or because you're not a trained expert wind up potentially accidentally shooting innocent bystanders running past you instead. Shooting at a shooter is a lot different than shooting at your beer cans.
To reply to HeadMarshal, mass shootings and of course hate crimes have went up since cheetohead became President. I think I said in the politics I'm more concerned by Trump's actions than his words but I take that back a little bit now. It is his rhetoric that in my opinion is partially if not even more than partially responsible for what has happened lately. Why anyone can continue to support this "President" is beyond me. It is clear he needs to go, not voted out of office, he needs to go now. If his in my opinion criminal behavior that he can't be indicted for only because of a memo that you can't charge a sitting President wasn't enough reason (and there's a lifetime of this behavior imo, not just what Mueller investigated), perhaps the sake of saving society can finally get it through the thick skulls of people.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Aug 4, 2019 22:52:55 GMT -5
It seems we’re in a quasi civil war in this country since these mass shootings that have occurred since October 2017 have been politically or racially motivated. Honestly it’s sick to commit a crime like this because of ideological reasons with regards to race and ethnicity. As far as gun legislation I don’t want to get into it as I know it’s not going to get done, as much as we all want for it to happen, but addressing the racist and ridiculous reasons for why 45’s to far gone base think it’s okay to go out and do this should be addressed by everyone if they’re decent human beings.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 4, 2019 23:08:29 GMT -5
We can pass common sense gun laws if we vote out the politicians in the NRA's pocket. Believe it or not, whenever they do a poll, like usually over 80 percent or perhaps an even higher number of Americans actually want some common sense gun legislation passed, those who belong to both parties. The problem is fringe nutjobs are exploiting a false narrative.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 5, 2019 11:44:59 GMT -5
Trump actually did condemn white supremacy although he referred to Dayton Ohio as Toledo (in fairness, Joe Biden offered condolences to Houston and Michigan, but that is quintessential Biden lol). While I do give him credit for that, the problem is those words still ring hollow if he doesn't acknowledge his own rhetoric and that he needs to tone it down. Also, we're now blaming mental illness and video games. Ok, yes mental illness is part of the problem and a factor we need to address, believe me, I have personal experience in my family, but it's also a convenient excuse for anyone to blame mass shootings on anything but lax gun laws. Also, video games? I feel like I time warped back to 1999. Next thing you know we're going to be blaming Marilyn Manson again.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Aug 5, 2019 15:56:48 GMT -5
I'm an avid gamer, and I often relate to the world through JRPG tropes and words that mean something else in other contexts by their JRPG terminological meanings. Anyone near me who eats up the anti-videogame rhetoric is probably going to fly into a rage if they and their kids spot me in the community. Yet another reason to loathe Wayne LaPierre, Larry Pratt, and Dana Loesch.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 6, 2019 7:31:15 GMT -5
Just wanted to state in fairness that the Dayton shooter was apparently left-wing and anti-police. But it doesn't take away from the fact hate crimes and violence with racial factors as motivation have went up since Trump's election, and there is always denials from the right or they call it one incident but then they'll exaggerate and exploit when the shooter is left-wing. (I don't approve of what actor Jussie Smollett allegedly did for example, but that's one guy's actions exploited for political purposes, unfortunately he didn't help the situation if he made up the attack because as we can see racial violence is real).
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Aug 6, 2019 19:15:00 GMT -5
The fact that there have been 3 huge mass shootings within a matter of 10 days, it makes me wonder if other people get inspired when one happens. Like sometimes we have a break of not having one for a few weeks and then it’s like they all happen at once.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Aug 6, 2019 19:25:33 GMT -5
The fact that there have been 3 huge mass shootings within a matter of 10 days, it makes me wonder if other people get inspired when one happens. Like sometimes we have a break of not having one for a few weeks and then it’s like they all happen at once. I agree, it seems to be a sleeper-cell type issue. Commit one and everyone wants to join in. It really is terrifying when you estimate how many potential mass killers are in the US, ready to be set off.
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