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Post by outlawtaco on Oct 20, 2024 9:31:59 GMT -5
I also never knew that one of the victims was sexually assaulted by the suspect I wonder if he's possibly committed other crimes related to that in addition to other murders the authorities in Chicago and Chicago area authorities thought he maybe connected to because typically crimes like this aren't usually t
Suspects first or last
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Post by Maddog on Oct 22, 2024 23:07:57 GMT -5
I wasn’t aware that one of the victims was fondled, either. I don’t believe that was the primary motive, however. I think the profiler is correct: this guy must have been desperate if he was robbing a store in broad daylight. He was incredibly lucky there was no surveillance footage taken of him that day.
I’m not so sure he has killed before, but I do believe he went into the store that day and was not planning on leaving any witnesses behind.
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 23, 2024 7:08:11 GMT -5
Wow count a third person in a row that didn’t know about the alleged sexual assault. Sort of completely makes it even more baffling what the motive was.
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Post by outlawtaco on Oct 23, 2024 7:57:47 GMT -5
Wait what you guys didn't know either wow that's insane 😯 I hope this guy's in custody soon
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Post by Maddog on Oct 23, 2024 11:25:49 GMT -5
I have several questions regarding this baffling case:
1) Has it ever been reported that anyone saw this suspect or someone similar to him in the weeks before this mass murder just casing out the store? I’m wondering if he knew from casing out the place that there weren’t any surveillance cameras.
2) Am I the only one skeptical at the criminologist’s claim that this is unlikely the first time this person has committed a similar crime? Here’s why I am skeptical of this: we do know they have the perpetrator’s fingerprints. They would’ve likely found the killer through AFIS at this point if he had a criminal record. It is certainly possible that this person has killed previously and just hasn’t been held accountable, but I feel that he would have popped up by now with some sort of criminal conviction.
3) Does everyone else agree that the sexual assault was secondary as a motive? I do believe this was someone who was desperate for money, and I’m wondering if the fondling was just spontaneous. I don’t think he went there to sexually violate anyone. I believe money was the primary motive.
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Post by outlawtaco on Oct 23, 2024 12:00:25 GMT -5
Maddog those are valid questions you think a crime this meticulously planned and ghastly brutal and horrific he would be in the Illinois criminal database or codis but nothing has ever come up no hits DNA has been used to solve dozens of cold cases
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Post by outlawtaco on Oct 23, 2024 12:15:02 GMT -5
Wait a friggin second has anyone ever considered that this guy maybe former law enforcement even if it was for a relatively short period of time like with the golden state killer Joseph James deangelo who's currently serving 13 life terms in a California state prison he was a cop for about a year and this explains why he knew not to leave any evidence but he may have been fired for unknown reasons or forced to step down do to maybe the addiction the profiler states he may have had I am right but it's a viable theory he could have been forced to take the delivery drive job to make ends meet hypothetically
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 23, 2024 12:17:50 GMT -5
I have several questions regarding this baffling case: 1) Has it ever been reported that anyone saw this suspect or someone similar to him in the weeks before this mass murder just casing out the store? I’m wondering if he knew from casing out the place that there weren’t any surveillance cameras. -Not that I know of 2) Am I the only one skeptical at the criminologist’s claim that this is unlikely the first time this person has committed a similar crime? Here’s why I am skeptical of this: we do know they have the perpetrator’s fingerprints. They would’ve likely found the killer through AFIS at this point if he had a criminal record. It is certainly possible that this person has killed previously and just hasn’t been held accountable, but I feel that he would have popped up by now with some sort of criminal conviction. -You make a good point that if he had killed before he’d have been ID’d by now. 3) Does everyone else agree that the sexual assault was secondary as a motive? I do believe this was someone who was desperate for money, and I’m wondering if the fondling was just spontaneous. I don’t think he went there to sexually violate anyone. I believe money was the primary motive. -Yeah the assault thing seems to have come out of nowhere. The recording of the voice sounds like a guy whose primary motive is money. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 23, 2024 12:18:48 GMT -5
Wait a friggin second has anyone ever considered that this guy maybe former law enforcement even if it was for a relatively short period of time like with the golden state killer Joseph James deangelo who's currently serving 13 life terms in a California state prison he was a cop for about a year and this explains why he knew not to leave any evidence but he may have been fired for unknown reasons or forced to step down do to maybe the addiction the profiler states he may have had I am right but it's a viable theory he could have been forced to take the delivery drive job to make ends meet hypothetically I don’t have anything really to base this on except that I just don’t get any former cop vibes from what we know so far. |
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Post by outlawtaco on Oct 23, 2024 12:19:45 GMT -5
Ok Good point
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Post by Maddog on Oct 24, 2024 9:29:32 GMT -5
I have several questions regarding this baffling case: 1) Has it ever been reported that anyone saw this suspect or someone similar to him in the weeks before this mass murder just casing out the store? I’m wondering if he knew from casing out the place that there weren’t any surveillance cameras. -Not that I know of 2) Am I the only one skeptical at the criminologist’s claim that this is unlikely the first time this person has committed a similar crime? Here’s why I am skeptical of this: we do know they have the perpetrator’s fingerprints. They would’ve likely found the killer through AFIS at this point if he had a criminal record. It is certainly possible that this person has killed previously and just hasn’t been held accountable, but I feel that he would have popped up by now with some sort of criminal conviction. -You make a good point that if he had killed before he’d have been ID’d by now. 3) Does everyone else agree that the sexual assault was secondary as a motive? I do believe this was someone who was desperate for money, and I’m wondering if the fondling was just spontaneous. I don’t think he went there to sexually violate anyone. I believe money was the primary motive. -Yeah the assault thing seems to have come out of nowhere. The recording of the voice sounds like a guy whose primary motive is money. I do know you aren’t entirely sure if the killer yelled, “I’m losing it!”, and I understand where you are coming from because we just have a background voice and not a clear audio of his voice. If he did say that, though, it tells me he was very desperate and was telling the ladies to hurry up and comply. I do think we are both of the opinion that robbery was the primary motive. I’m wondering if he was desperate for money because he was living outside of his means. We do know that he drove a vehicle to the scene, and we do know that he was described as having manicured hands. I doubt this was someone using drugs, because 1) He probably would have hit a drug dealer instead; 2) I don’t believe someone in a drug-induced haze would be able to prepare to the extent he did, or would have presented himself and nearly convinced staff that he was a delivery person, or had manicured hands; and 3) I haven’t seen anything from his physical description indicating he was using drugs. What I mean is he would have likely been a lot skinnier, shown track marks, or other physical signs such as sniffing which is common among drug users, like cocaine abusers. What I am wondering is if AI can be used to enhance the background voice of the killer. That’s an area where technology may really help. |
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