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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 29, 2019 9:55:14 GMT -5
If that’s the case he’s being added, he will take the record for oldest man to be added which is currently being held by Brad Bishop at age 77.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 29, 2019 9:59:01 GMT -5
Yeah the main difference of course here although I sound like a broken record lol is this is still a relatively recent fugitive case despite Palmer's age (I consider anything within the decade relatively recent enough) as opposed to adding Bishop 40 years later.
You do wonder what info they must have though considering so many argue Palmer is still dead in the woods by his home that it is my speculation that they probably got some very credible tips claiming otherwise.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 29, 2019 10:02:21 GMT -5
Yeah the main difference of course here although I sound like a broken record lol is this is still a relatively recent fugitive case despite Palmer's age (I consider anything within the decade relatively recent enough) as opposed to adding Bishop 40 years later. You do wonder what info they must have though considering so many argue Palmer is still dead in the woods by his home that it is my speculation that they probably got some very credible tips claiming otherwise. The last couple years investigators have chased various leads.... I believe it was 2 years ago they had a credible lead of him in a neighboring state. It’s officially telling that the FBI now added Eugene Palmer than David Durham despite age, they likely have more to go on in Palmer’s case. |
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Post by HeadMarshal on May 29, 2019 10:14:04 GMT -5
I remember when the United States Marshals added Beacher Hackney to their 15 Most Wanted List, only for his remains to have been found sometime later.
I have faith that the FBI in the “post Jeff Sessions era” is not repeating this and they do see it likely to find Eugene Palmer alive so he can see his day in court. If that’s the case, then hopefully Eugene is apprehended soon.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 29, 2019 10:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on May 29, 2019 11:12:21 GMT -5
The release was probably made yesterday but not made public until today.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 29, 2019 11:39:36 GMT -5
Ironically Palmer took the slot that was held by Brad Bishop 1 year ago before Bishop was removed in June 2018.
I feel Palmer would be a quick capture or location if he’s believed to be deceased in the wilderness where he disappeared or if he’s living in a neighboring state in New England.
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Post by Maddog on May 29, 2019 17:43:46 GMT -5
The more I think of it, the more I think this was a correct call by the FBI. I think it was for two reasons:
1) A lack of tips. The press releases stressed that they are trying to get more leads on him.
2) I fully believe he’s alive, but time for justice may be short - we do know he’s severely diabetic. If a diabetic isn’t taking their insulin, that’s really going to raise their risk of dying from complications of diabetes. Plus, he is now the oldest person ever added to the list.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 18:07:49 GMT -5
Ironically Palmer took the slot that was held by Brad Bishop 1 year ago before Bishop was removed in June 2018. I feel Palmer would be a quick capture or location if he’s believed to be deceased in the wilderness where he disappeared or if he’s living in a neighboring state in New England. I don't know why I think this but aren't there done of those of you/us out there that if Palmer took Bishop's place that the same thing is going to happen to Palmer? I mean how old was Bushop when he was added as well as to when he was given up on and removed? Also it occurred to me that since Palmer is 80 years old, that is if he's still alive even, wouldn't he beat Brad Bishop in age for OLDEST Top Tenner? |
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Post by Maddog on May 29, 2019 18:47:32 GMT -5
Ironically Palmer took the slot that was held by Brad Bishop 1 year ago before Bishop was removed in June 2018. I feel Palmer would be a quick capture or location if he’s believed to be deceased in the wilderness where he disappeared or if he’s living in a neighboring state in New England. I don't know why I think this but aren't there done of those of you/us out there that if Palmer took Bishop's place that the same thing is going to happen to Palmer? I mean how old was Bushop when he was added as well as to when he was given up on and removed? Also it occurred to me that since Palmer is 80 years old, that is if he's still alive even, wouldn't he beat Brad Bishop in age for OLDEST Top Tenner? Read my post above. At 80 years old, he is the oldest individual to ever make the list. |
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Post by ninja108 on May 29, 2019 20:30:20 GMT -5
They have to believe he's still alive if they are adding him.
I can certainly understand adding him from a public safety point despite his age since he carried out the murder when he was in his 70's.
Someone like that will always be a danger as long as he's out there.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 29, 2019 21:48:51 GMT -5
When Brad Bishop made the list in April 2014 he was 77 years old and had not been seen in 38 years, at the time he took the record from the late James “Whitey” Bulger, which was 69 years old.
Brad Bishop and Eugene Palmer are different in the sense that Bishop has had books, documentaries, Crime shows done on him since he has been on the run for so long.
In contrast Eugene Palmer was aired on The Hunt with John Walsh and local investigators have offered up small rewards within the last 7 years.
What sets Brad Bishop apart from Eugene Palmer is that Bishop is believed to be overseas and the likely worse case scenario is that he died under an alias overseas after having raised another family and locating him is possible through any DNA and ancestry sites could eventually lead to his discovery, Palmer is more likely to be found either alive or dead, for all we know, some amateur hikers could end up finding his remains.
But one thing that makes me wonder.... if Eugene has some distant relatives that are aiding his run as the press conference mentions that he has ties to Florida and Upstate New York.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 22:25:54 GMT -5
It also came to my mind that Palmer and Fisher (Robert Fisher another Top 10er) are so alike, you know being experienced outdoorsmen.
But what I can't seem to figure out is what range (as in land and geological) could a guy run into the woods and disappear and therefore triggering the heated debating on who is either dead or still alive.
I mean Palmer and Fisher are the same but are equally different....
Palmer-Has Medication problems and has old age on his side
Fisher- (Besides having a bad back) he was very 'fit' during/before his crime was committed
Also I was just wondering, what land area is the largest that an FBI TOP 10er has ever taken or set foot towards?
Palmer- He fled into the woods in upstate New York which is 45,000 acres
Fisher- He abandoned his wife's truck and the family dog in the woods/dessert and then fled on foot and the south west dessert is very very very large.
Also just because leads have dried up on Palmer doesn't mean that he still might alive, I mean because of his age and medical problems I have absolute no doubt that he would be no problem to die off naturally or be picked off by a coyote or bear.
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Post by 912thamwuser on May 29, 2019 23:00:36 GMT -5
I'm pleased to see both vacancies that cleared up on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted this past winter filled, but if only they could fill the 3 vacancies on the US Marshals' 15 Most Wanted list! I wonder what's tying the latter up lately!
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Post by Scumhunter on May 29, 2019 23:27:53 GMT -5
All good insights so far. The only thing I would like to slightly respectfully disagree with is the idea that leads have dried up.
Numerous articles have stated that authorities over the past few years are getting tips on Palmer from not over the U.S. but overseas as well.
That doesn't mean tips always pan out. America's Most Wanted supposedly had very credible leads of Beacher Hackney dressed as a woman (I think in some midwestern state not sure), when it turned out he was dead the entire time.
However, they are receiving numerous leads, and the only thing we don't know is their validity.
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As far as the dead vs. alive debate, I think similar to Robert Fisher, on the surface he would appear dead before you factor in other clues. Old man, needs meds out in the woods etc...
And similar to Robert Fisher I changed my mind after looking at further evidence.
In Palmer's case, what changed my mind was seeing what in my opinion such little sh**s his sons were in their interviews on The Hunt. They basically blamed Tammy for her death and seemed to lead authorities on a wild goose chase, pointing them in one direction instead of another etc... If it weren't for his sons, I would think he was dead. But their ugliness in that interview changed my mind to 60-40 in favor of Palmer being alive.
Not to mention, Palmer was said to be in great shape for his age. Being 70 years old in the 2010s is a lot different than being 70 years old in 1920 thanks to modern medicine. His conditions on The Hunt were said to be not as serious and a bit exaggerated.
Palmer is pushing an age where he can pass away anyway. But from the sounds of it he was actually a relatively in-shape guy and not the feeble old man his sons or others may want us to believe he is.
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