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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 22, 2017 4:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 25, 2017 7:05:22 GMT -5
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 25, 2017 7:21:50 GMT -5
So apparently they started the thread by scratching their heads as to why Brown (and also Daniel San Diego) haven’t been caught despite living in an age of little to no privacy.
Then they were mentioning how Jason Brown doesn’t belong on the Top Ten, because it should be used for terrorists and organized crime bosses. They finally figured out how the Top Ten List makes additions and talk about the likelihood of him being in South America, in particular Paraguay in the countryside since it’s mentioned that it’s very corrupt that many criminals live there.
My opinion on this is, that while I agree Jason Brown is a very shocking example of a fugitive who went on the run after 2001 is still at large 13 years later and having spent 10 years on the FBI Top Ten.
Regarding Brown on the Top Ten List, I think he really deserves being on the list, the FBI adding terrorists, and organized crime bosses, it really won’t help because public tips won’t be used to lead to their capture, Osama Bin Laden, and Diego Leon Montoya Sanchez, Semion Mogilevich, while very awful, weren’t meant for the FBI Top Ten. The list has changed, as they’ve removed the fugitives that won’t be caught through tips and added some that could be caught through tips.
The destinations on the reddit thread mentioned, are really good theories, South America and Paraguay in particular are possible after 13 years at large. After traveling this weekend for thanksgiving through the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and seeing all the rural towns, I wonder if Jason Brown or even fellow FBI Top Tenner Robert Fisher may have been hiding on a piece of land on the side of the interstate for the last 13 and 16 years respectively, and nobody knows it.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 25, 2017 7:30:14 GMT -5
So apparently they started the thread by scratching their heads as to why Brown (and also Daniel San Diego) haven’t been caught despite living in an age of little to no privacy. Then they were mentioning how Jason Brown doesn’t belong on the Top Ten, because it should be used for terrorists and organized crime bosses. They finally figured out how the Top Ten List makes additions and talk about the likelihood of him being in South America, in particular Paraguay in the countryside since it’s mentioned that it’s very corrupt that many criminals live there. My opinion on this is, that while I agree Jason Brown is a very shocking example of a fugitive who went on the run after 2001 is still at large 13 years later and having spent 10 years on the FBI Top Ten. Regarding Brown on the Top Ten List, I think he really deserves being on the list, the FBI adding terrorists, and organized crime bosses, it really won’t help because public tips won’t be used to lead to their capture, Osama Bin Laden, and Diego Leon Montoya Sanchez, Semion Mogilevich, while very awful, weren’t meant for the FBI Top Ten. The list has changed, as they’ve removed the fugitives that won’t be caught through tips and added some that could be caught through tips. The destinations on the reddit thread mentioned, are really good theories, South America and Paraguay in particular are possible after 13 years at large. After traveling this weekend for thanksgiving through the Midwest, Pennsylvania, and seeing all the rural towns, I wonder if Jason Brown or even fellow FBI Top Tenner Robert Fisher may have been hiding on a piece of land on the side of the interstate for the last 13 and 16 years respectively, and nobody knows it. I didn't read the whole thing but I'm assuming it was only one person who felt he didn't belong on the list. I'd say at least 8 out of every 10 average people if you were to describe the alleged crime Brown committed and asked if he belonged on the list they'd say yes.
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Post by josedom on Dec 10, 2017 1:01:12 GMT -5
I dont think Jason is in South America. I live in Argentina, probably the south american country with more caucasian people and even here, they stand out like sore thumb. Plus spanish is a really hard language and is easy for us know when somebody doesnt talk spanish. Latino people always wants to know everything when they met a stranger. I dont think he is here
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Post by davep on Dec 25, 2017 11:20:33 GMT -5
I’m thinking, if Brown is dead, and his body was never found, how could this be? How could he kill himself, or have someone kill him, and not have his body found. Some possible theories could be… 1.) Someone spotted Brown in Portland and knew he had the stash of cash on him. The person/criminal killed Brown, took the money, and tossed Brown’s body in a dumpster never to be found. Crazy I know, but it could have happened. 2.) Brown, unable to deal with what he did to Keith, committed suicide in Canada. Brown would not want his body discovered, so he went up into the dense Canadian forest, took his life in some very remote location, never to be found. 3.) Again, Brown, unable to deal with what he did to Keith, commits suicide by taking a small boat out to some large lake. He attaches weights (lots) to his body, sinks the boat and himself, never to found. I never understood why Brown sent his belongings back to his brother David after the crime. He knew the FBI would confiscate everything, so why do it. Brown even sent back his laptop giving the FBI possibly something to work with. The FBI can get back deleted info as we all know. I thought Brown sending back his laptop was beyond amateur-hour, but if you’re going to commit suicide you wouldn’t care.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 25, 2017 11:37:28 GMT -5
Hey Dave, Merry Christmas! As always, great insight and an interesting theory as to what would explain if Brown killed himself and his body was never found.
Although one thing though is that about an hour after he is said to have shot and killed Keith Palomares, the man whose truck he accidentally shot in the Tonto National Forrest the few days before called him for an estimate. The man described Brown as incredibly calm and collected. Not distraught or anything, and I don't believe Brown had become a fugitive just yet and was still on his way to his sister in California's house. At that moment, he doesn't sound remorseful.
That's not to say guilt didn't eventually seep in or the reality didn't set in just yet. I've always seen Brown as too in love with himself to kill himself, but that's only assuming he had no remorse. He wouldn't kill himself just to avoid capture imo (unless police were closing in on him, then he wouldn't want to go to jail), but if there was guilt, I could see that angle.
The sending back of everything is interesting- the author of the book "The Ghost" basically gives the theory that basically Brown decided to completely start over- cut ties with everything previously associated with him in his life- in order to attempt to successfully begin a new life for himself- which unfortunately he's succeeded at so far if he isn't dead.
Theory #1 is a possibility as well, you can't count out anything until hopefully one day there's a resolution.
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Post by eal22 on Dec 25, 2017 22:29:05 GMT -5
What's more, Brown actually sent the truck-owner the money! If I were on the run, sending someone money would not be at the top of my to-do list. I guess Brown had just come into some cash though...
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Post by westongale on Jan 27, 2018 2:10:29 GMT -5
Here are my updated thoughts on Jason Derek Brown, and these thoughts will be a bit different than what has been posted. I would personally not be surprised if JDB were living somewhere in Europe. In the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (The church JDB grew up in), there is a big emphasis on family history and learning about genealogy. If he learned where his ancestry came from (and I suspect that most likely, he is of European descent), he could have traveled to whatever country he knew he had ancestry from to blend in with the rest of society and start his life over over there since most countries in Europe are pretty stable. I know that he could be living in France since he served a mission for the Latter-Day Saint Church there, and I think that possibility has been brought up, but genealogy should be taken into consideration with him in my opinion knowing his background with the LDS church and his college degree.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jan 27, 2018 4:14:20 GMT -5
Not trying to make light but now I'm picturing Jason Brown sending his DNA spit packet to ancestry.com under an alias and hoping that it's true that the site protects everyone's packets and it only goes to them. Speaking of that aforementioned site, according to them the last name of Brown is most frequently of English, Scottish, and Irish ancestry. Of course Brown is such a generic last name it could be a lot of things. (Every thing about Jason Derek Brown is generic- which is partially why he's been so hard to catch). www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=brownOf course while we know possible ancestry of his father's last name, we don't know what his mother's ancestry is though.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 18, 2018 16:45:52 GMT -5
I think there’s a deep reasoning why Brown was added to the list. Since his father vanished they seem to think that he taught Jason Brown and it would be very complicated to get this guy. But honestly as to his whereabouts, it’s all up in the air at this point.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 18, 2018 18:44:06 GMT -5
I think it was one of the agents chasing Brown or someone else that said he fits the mold of the list in part because of a background story that stands out, they like adding smart, college educated guys who would be very hard to catch without the resources of the top ten list.
Additionally, the murder Brown allegedly committed was a federal crime- as he shot an armored car guard- and we all know the FBI takes armored crimes seriously even when there's no murder involved. (As we can see from Victor Gerena breaking the record for longest time on the list before his removal despite no one dying in his crime).
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Post by eal22 on Mar 19, 2018 23:09:38 GMT -5
Something reminded me the other day of how hard it must be to avoid detection. I was pulled over by a police officer for not stopping 3-seconds at a stop sign at an intersection with no traffic in a suburban neighbourhood. I honestly had no idea why I was being pulled over at the time. Imagine if I was a fugitive with a fake id or something. A carefully crafted life on the run could easily come crashing down because of a simple mistake of not waiting 3-seconds at a stop sign and a cop looking to meet his quota of tickets.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 19, 2018 23:30:37 GMT -5
There are plenty of AMW fugitives and fugitives in general caught that way! Or then there's stupid petty crimes like Robert Durst who was caught shoplifting at a grocery store as a fugitive that got him caught. (that was the murder of his neighbor he was acquitted of, but still, he was a fugitive in the case). And on The Hunt when they profiled William Greer, the woman he was dating at the time who didn't know it was him would mention how paranoid he was about doing the right speed limit when driving, driving carefully etc...
It's got to be a lot for some fugitives- the pressure for a lot of them- to make sure they don't slip up.
Brown, however, is the type of guy I feel- while of course he's going to be careful- he's arrogant enough to where I don't think he thinks he'll ever be caught. Unfortunately, he's been right so far.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 19, 2018 23:54:36 GMT -5
Honestly Jason Brown at 47 he’s more than a big boy to be able to drive, but most likely to avoid any detection, many of these guys pretty much take a bus, train/subway, or they just walk. Robert Fisher I can see him driving still, but on a farm grounds though since he’s probably never gotten a ticket and is likely to stay out of the radar of police, but Brown would have had to change his lifestyle dramatically to be able to last this long as a fugitive, that means taking extreme precautions.
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