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Post by HeadMarshal on Jul 1, 2022 16:49:19 GMT -5
I think HeadMarshal hit the nail on the head in that the FBI hasn't been profiling enough domestic fugitives in general, not iist the top ten list. When they do its usually a seeking law enforcement assistance case that doesn't have a UFAP warrant. They've gotten a little too criminal enterprise happy when they could be catching a lot of at home fugitives if they profiled them. Thank you for this! This has been driving me nuts for awhile now. The public is still a resource for finding "at home" fugitives if they were profiled on a national level. I feel that the FBI has somewhat forgotten about this, and it's surprising considering the UFAP warrants that they and the US Marshals Service handle. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 2, 2022 6:41:13 GMT -5
I think HeadMarshal hit the nail on the head in that the FBI hasn't been profiling enough domestic fugitives in general, not iist the top ten list. When they do its usually a seeking law enforcement assistance case that doesn't have a UFAP warrant. They've gotten a little too criminal enterprise happy when they could be catching a lot of at home fugitives if they profiled them. If the FBI wants to add Criminal Enterprise fugitives to the Top Ten List so badly, why don’t they add Michael Pratt, that’s a criminal enterprise that involved young girls being sexually abused and it occurred here domestically. Or how about Hung Tien Pham, he killed 5 on behalf of a criminal enterprise in here domestically as well. These additions since November 2021 have not been the best choices, the additions of Jose “El Gato” Villarreal-Hernandez, and Octaviano Juarez-Corro, were good because they were cases where it was either a murder for hire executed in a public place and a mass shooting in a public place with both being in broad daylight. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 2, 2022 7:31:54 GMT -5
Octaviano Juarez-Corro was pretty much the only addition I agreed with (even if I didn't like the optics of having over half the list be one ethnicity) since 2020, and ironically enough he's been their only capture lol.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 3, 2022 7:40:29 GMT -5
As much as I disagree with the recent choices, there are occasions where someone already on the list is captured when there's a new addition because it brings renewed overall attention. So hopefully we get some good tips on other cases thanks to them adding someone.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 5, 2022 20:34:54 GMT -5
As much as I disagree with the recent choices, there are occasions where someone already on the list is captured when there's a new addition because it brings renewed overall attention. So hopefully we get some good tips on other cases thanks to them adding someone. This is a great point, and even TikTok has had non stop videos being made about Ruja Ignatova’s recent addition to the list, that I do think that this was done in a way to bring attention not only to Ignatova but the other 9 as well, which have been very difficult to locate. Within the past year, the FBI has made an effort to publicize, Alejandro Castillo, Eugene Palmer, Yulan Carias, Bhadreshkumar Patel, Yulan Carias again, and more recently Arnoldo Jimenez, and still none of the 9 men have fallen yet. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 8, 2022 7:40:22 GMT -5
For the most part, I've generally disagreed with the turn towards adding only criminal enterprise fugitives to the top ten list lately, however, I don't know if he'd be eligible since he's technically wanted out of Mexico but I would have absolutely no problem with Jose Portillo Gil (wanted for the murder of an American he mistook for a DEA agent in 2018, the murder of 2 catholic priests last month, and the abduction of brothers (one of whom he murdered) over being angry over losing a baseball game to a rival team) being added should a slot open up. He's relatively recent with a big reward in Mexico already so I think the chances of capture are a little better than someone like Rafael Caro-Quintero who has been on the run for decades and Mexico has yet to extradite. Also since Mexico wants Portillo as well, it might help improve relations even further on fugitive cases if the U.S. helps out. It gets murky as to how the FBI could add him though since even though he allegedly murdered a U.S. citizen who he thought was a DEA agent, it still happened in Mexico and not the U.S.)
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 8, 2022 17:40:22 GMT -5
For the most part, I've generally disagreed with the turn towards adding only criminal enterprise fugitives to the top ten list lately, however, I don't know if he'd be eligible since he's technically wanted out of Mexico but I would have absolutely no problem with Jose Portillo Gil (wanted for the murder of an American he mistook for a DEA agent in 2018, the murder of 2 catholic priests last month, and the abduction of brothers (one of whom he murdered) over being angry over losing a baseball game to a rival team) being added should a slot open up. He's relatively recent with a big reward in Mexico already so I think the chances of capture are a little better than someone like Rafael Caro-Quintero who has been on the run for decades and Mexico has yet to extradite. Also since Mexico wants Portillo as well, it might help improve relations even further on fugitive cases if the U.S. helps out. It gets murky as to how the FBI could add him though since even though he allegedly murdered a U.S. citizen who he thought was a DEA agent, it still happened in Mexico and not the U.S.) Given the recent trend in which the list has been going I do think it’s likely. One thing I must stress is in a way I understand why the FBI has been adding guys like Caro-Quintero, El Gato, and Porky to the Top Ten List in recent years, and it all has to do with the justification that was given when the FBI removed the 5 fugitives from 2015-2021. Their justification apart from publicity they had on the Top Ten List didn’t lead to their capture or were in a country that can’t extradite, the FBI removed Robert Fisher also because he hasn’t reoffended since 2001, Mogilevich wasn’t tied to contract killings in the United States, hence why he was removed, Brad Bishop hadn’t been seen since 1976. This is where Caro-Quintero, El Gato, and Porky come in, and where possibly Jose Portillo Gil come in, all of these guys are leaders or are involved in some shape or form with Transnational Groups, that are accused of Drug & Arms Trafficking, Murder, etc, so these guys are still reoffending as we speak, Caro-Quintero is also alleged to have been behind the murders of the Lebaron Family in Northern Mexico in 2019. Also a bit off topic but Ruja Ignatova made the list as she was playing with Billions, that’s a large scale fraud/scam, and perhaps it could be that a financial/cyber criminals only make the list if it’s a ridiculously high amount of money like Ignatova. While I personally don’t agree either with the way the list has been going, I sort of see why they have been going in that direction, but Jose Portillo Gil could possibly make the list based on the additions of the last few years. Also a bit off topic, I really hope that with the 2 most recent fugitives being technically non Murder fugitives that perhaps they’ll had a crimes against children fugitive to have more of a variety of crimes on the list for a change, it’s been 9 years since they’ve added a child molestor. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 11, 2022 12:29:26 GMT -5
Changing up the discussion a bit, lately since Ignatova’s addition I’ve been having a hunch someone on the Top Ten List is going to get captured soon, but even my personal hunch doesn’t know who it would be.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 11, 2022 15:16:39 GMT -5
Either that or a removal.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 11, 2022 18:34:33 GMT -5
Either that or a removal. One thing I’m going to point out, is that back in 2016, the FBI Chicago added a second fugitive to the Top Ten List (Macedo) despite having Urbina on the list since 2012 and Urbina wound up getting caught months later. The FBI Baltimore added a second fugitive on the Top Ten List in 2017 (Patel), despite having Bishop on the list since 2014, and Bishop wound up getting removed more than a year later. Same thing is going on now, the FBI New York **technically** added a second fugitive (Ignatova), despite having Palmer on the List since 2019. **(Technically because Yulan Carias was indicted by the same district as Palmer and Ignatova, which would be 3, but Carias isn’t an FBI New York Case as per FBI Poster and FBINY cases page.)** The only exception to this rule was Robert Fisher and Jason Brown from 2007-2021 both from the FBI Phoenix, but I wanted to point that out to indiscreetly who I think would be the next one to go. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 15, 2022 16:39:01 GMT -5
Yep, we got a capture! Like I said, I never said Caro-Quintero was uncatchable, just that I don't think (although we shall see) the list will have had much to do with his capture as it was more a legal proceeding/sharing intelligence type of deal. Although I guess even if he wasn't entirely in hiding, the list did put a little more pressure on Mexico to finally send him back.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 15, 2022 17:47:47 GMT -5
Yep, we got a capture! Like I said, I never said Caro-Quintero was uncatchable, just that I don't think (although we shall see) the list will have had much to do with his capture as it was more a legal proceeding/sharing intelligence type of deal. Although I guess even if he wasn't entirely in hiding, the list did put a little more pressure on Mexico to finally send him back. My hunch was right, but I didn’t expect it to be Rafael Caro-Quintero instead I was expecting Eugene Palmer to be caught. Every 2 years since 2016, we end up having captures of some very huge fish, and it’s usually during the summer season when it happens. |
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Post by Maddog on Jul 15, 2022 22:48:34 GMT -5
I will stick by my most recent list, but I was wondering: does anyone else think they will take the international route again?
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 16, 2022 5:50:28 GMT -5
That's the way the list has been going but tbh I hope not, as I feel it is time to start adding catchable domestic fugitives again. As I said earlier, I would make an exception for Jose Noriel Portillo Gil and be all for it if they added him though.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 16, 2022 6:35:33 GMT -5
Also I will admit when I'm wrong and Mexico did finally arrest RCQ. I felt he was catchable, I just never expected them to actually want to arrest him. (I still remain stubborn in my belief they didn't need the top ten list to do this, but at the end of the day I am very happy he was caught and that's what is most important).
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