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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 6, 2021 23:32:48 GMT -5
I would agree that's the case but that hasn't stopped the FBI from adding someone to the list before. Heck, it took Yaser Said six years to get added when he should have been added from the get-go, then you have guys like Eric Toth who were technical surprises.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 8, 2021 13:47:11 GMT -5
Not to put a damper on good news that we finally have a new addition to the top list, especially considering I've really wanted the FBI to add Octaviano Juarez-Corro for years, but that makes six out of the ten fugitives on the list Hispanic. I'm sorry as some may say we try too hard to be politically correct, but the list is supposed to stand out for it's diversity, and I do fear it is sort of a bad look that more than half the list is now Hispanic, unless they plan on removing Rafael Caro-Quintero or, unfortunately, Alexis Flores, who Honduras seems to have no interest in extraditing. So it is sort of mixed emotions in knowing how big a scumbag Juarez-Corro is and that we got one of our forum dirty dozen members on the list, but feeling we do also need to strike a delicate balance between biggest scumbags and racial diversity. Just my opinion.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Sept 8, 2021 14:37:58 GMT -5
Not to put a damper on good news that we finally have a new addition to the top list, especially considering I've really wanted the FBI to add Octaviano Juarez-Corro for years, but that makes six out of the ten fugitives on the list Hispanic. I'm sorry as some may say we try too hard to be politically correct, but the list is supposed to stand out for it's diversity, and I do fear it is sort of a bad look that more than half the list is now Hispanic, unless they plan on removing Rafael Caro-Quintero or, unfortunately, Alexis Flores, who Honduras seems to have no interest in extraditing. So it is sort of mixed emotions in knowing how big a scumbag Juarez-Corro is and that we got one of our forum dirty dozen members on the list, but feeling we do also need to strike a delicate balance between biggest scumbags and racial diversity. Just my opinion. The way I see this addition, they seem like they want to pull an Edward Harper, where the fugitive is wanted for 14/15 years, and hopefully they get caught within a few months like Harper, Jesus Munguia etc…… But also they felt comfortable adding someone like Octaviano Juarez Corro who has been on the run for 15 years, because they developed info on where Corro may be or someone else currently on the list is about to be captured through investigation and thus they felt comfortable adding a long time fugitive like Corro. It also could be that they are planning to remove someone from the list, but I doubt it’s Caro-Quintero, as the DEA wants blood for what happened with Kiki Camarena, and removing Caro, it makes it seem like the FBI doesn’t have solidarity with their law enforcement partners at the DEA…. Plus with a $20 million reward, what Caro-Quintero is to the DEA and Federal agents in general whether it be U.S. or Mexico…. is what Osama Bin Laden was to the American people. If anyone is going to be removed, it would unfortunately be Alexis Flores, due to Honduras not wanting to extradite him.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Sept 8, 2021 16:47:54 GMT -5
Not to put a damper on good news that we finally have a new addition to the top list, especially considering I've really wanted the FBI to add Octaviano Juarez-Corro for years, but that makes six out of the ten fugitives on the list Hispanic. I'm sorry as some may say we try too hard to be politically correct, but the list is supposed to stand out for it's diversity, and I do fear it is sort of a bad look that more than half the list is now Hispanic, unless they plan on removing Rafael Caro-Quintero or, unfortunately, Alexis Flores, who Honduras seems to have no interest in extraditing. So it is sort of mixed emotions in knowing how big a scumbag Juarez-Corro is and that we got one of our forum dirty dozen members on the list, but feeling we do also need to strike a delicate balance between biggest scumbags and racial diversity. Just my opinion. If they truly can't draw Flores out of Honduras, the FBI might have to drop him for similar reasons as Semion "The Brainy Don" Yudkovich Mogilevich, that is, living in another country above extradition. I just hope the list doesn't stagnate the way it did back in '015 before they do. As for the racial disparity, I'd rather the FBI try to emphasize how Hispanic fugitives frequently have Spanish-speaking countries south of the US border to fall back on, which black and white fugitives rarely do, so there's more Hispanics to pursue by that happenstance, and how quickly it seems black and white fugitives get captured on average.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 8, 2021 18:23:49 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I always try to say to trolls is the reason Hispanic fugitives dominate wanted lists isn't because they're any worse or more violent than white or black fugitives- but because they are more likely to flee the country and thus be harder to catch.
I'll give them a mulligan on Juarez-Corro because of how awful he is but there were still some awful fugitives of other ethnicities they could have added as well to keep in mind for the future.
But I do agree a good compromise could be the FBI addressing the issue and stressing the reason for the disparity.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Sept 8, 2021 18:37:04 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I always try to say to trolls is the reason Hispanic fugitives dominate wanted lists isn't because they're any worse or more violent than white or black fugitives- but because they are more likely to flee the country and thus be harder to catch. I'll give them a mulligan on Juarez-Corro because of how awful he is but there were still some awful fugitives of other ethnicities they could have added as well to keep in mind for the future. But I do agree a good compromise could be the FBI addressing the issue and stressing the reason for the disparity. Also another thing I want to point out, is that the Hispanic Community is expected be the majority in the United States by 2050 or so, pretty much the current list isn’t really being against political correctness, but a mixture of hispanics having a second country to fall back and its also the change in demographics going forward in the U.S. and it seems to have reflected on the top ten list. Also there are multiple fugitives wanted for shootings in public places, and the way the Press Conference told the crime scene, Juarez-Corro basically lined up each of the 5 individuals and made them get on their knees shooting them execution style, in broad daylight, with hundreds of people around in a park during a holiday. The FBI was great at adding fugitives wanted for multiple murders or shooting of multiple people in a public place prior to 2009, and I hope they add more guys wanted for multiple murders and shootings in public places.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 8, 2021 18:49:06 GMT -5
That is a great point as well us that by 2050 whites are expected to no longer be the majority (hence why see the white backlash in our country when it comes to politics, they fear they're "losing" everything), so the list does reflect changing demographics.
And yeah fugitives wanted for public shootings are especially a threat.
Juarez-Corro was on our dirty dozen list, so I also love the fact he was added for that reason as well. My thing is having fugitives of different races isn't even necessarily a politically correct thing but the FBI often stresses the fugitives they add aren't aren't the worst of the worst (although Juarez-Corro would fall into that category) but the worst of the worst they feel would be caught via public tips. So let's say the next fugitive they add is Asian. He'd stand out when someone is viewing the list since he'd be the only one. Or even an African-American fugitive would stand out on the list right now since there currently aren't any. So now I guess I'm going to say something sort of politically incorrect in that a bunch of Hispanic guys on the list wouldn't necessarily make one stand out from the other unless there's distinctive facial features (Fidel Urbina and all his acne scars for example). It's not just a politically correct thing for me but also that variety could differentiate the list and make certain fugitives stand out more and help catch suspects easier as well, but I also understand the arguments you and 912th have presented.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 9, 2021 23:38:45 GMT -5
I just wanted to add since I'm not sure it got got across I actually love the addition of Juarez-Corro. As a matter of fact I think he's an even better choice than Caro-Quintero and Jose Villarreal-Hernandez were because as awful as they are I feel those are sort of international relation cases when the list is supposed to be used to solicit public tips. Juarez-Corro can become a public tip capture which is what the list is built for.
Just my concern is going forward.
I realize UFAP warrants are a factor but there seems to be some worthy cases of all races I know have UFAPs.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Sept 10, 2021 0:01:59 GMT -5
I want to point out that in the last 5 years (2016-now), only Robert Van Wisse and Octaviano Juarez Corro have a gap of more than 10+ years plus on the run from crime to addition to the Top Ten and that’s pretty telling in the fact that the FBI has gone for more recent fugitives since Removing Victor Gerena and Brad Bishop during this same. Caro-Quintero is wanted for Kiki Camarena’s murder in 1985, but someone bribed a Mexican judge in 2013 which prompted him to get released (that’s the actual story).
With the Top Ten List now full, I do see a scenario for the list to have 2 captures in before the end of 2021 or by early 2022, it’s just been too quiet on the list and logically speaking, someone has to go down given how much time we’ve spent with the 9 faces.
I hope they do add Bob Tang or Michael Pratt next once the a slot opens up again.
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Post by Maddog on Sept 10, 2021 18:57:28 GMT -5
In one of the news stories on Juarez-Corro’s addition to the list, an FBI agent said, that twenty people have been added to the list in the past five years. A break down of the field offices which searched for them:
Los Angeles - 3 Milwaukee - 3 Dallas - 2 Newark - 2 Chicago - 2 Seattle - 2 (The agent assigned to RCQ’s case is based out of the Seattle office). Baltimore - 1 San Antonio - 1 Charlotte - 1 Las Vegas - 1 Detroit - 1 New York - 1.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Sept 11, 2021 17:19:08 GMT -5
Just wanted to say I want to calm everyone about the list having 6 Hispanic fugitives on the list , because I realized while analyzing the list with the now newly added Juarez-Corro, is that the FBI’s List is evenly split 50/50 with foreign born fugitives and native born fugitives despite having 6 Hispanic fugitives.
Personally I would’ve been outraged if it was 6 foreign born Hispanic fugitives across the board, but that’s not the case, also Juarez-Corro is the first Mexican National fugitive who isn’t a State Department case to be added to the Ten Most Wanted since the closing days of the Obama Administration when Robert Van Wisse made the list.
During the Trump Administration there were foreign born fugitives added, but guys like Walter Gomez was added due to his role with MS13 in New Jersey, RCQ and El Gato we’re State Department cases wanted for murder and drug trafficking, but a Robert Fisher or Arnoldo Jimenez style of fugitive case, there were no Mexican nationals, instead they were U.S. born Hispanics.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 11, 2021 18:47:30 GMT -5
Just wanted to say I want to calm everyone about the list having 6 Hispanic fugitives on the list , because I realized while analyzing the list with the now newly added Juarez-Corro, is that the FBI’s List is evenly split 50/50 with foreign born fugitives and native born fugitives despite having 6 Hispanic fugitives. Personally I would’ve been outraged if it was 6 foreign born Hispanic fugitives across the board, but that’s not the case, also Juarez-Corro is the first Mexican National fugitive who isn’t a State Department case to be added to the Ten Most Wanted since the closing days of the Obama Administration when Robert Van Wisse made the list. During the Trump Administration there were foreign born fugitives added, but guys like Walter Gomez was added due to his role with MS13 in New Jersey, RCQ and El Gato we’re State Department cases wanted for murder and drug trafficking, but a Robert Fisher or Arnoldo Jimenez style of fugitive case, there were no Mexican nationals, instead they were U.S. born Hispanics. With all due respect, there's no need to "calm" everyone because I wasn't upset, I'm just concerned about the future. And yeah no disrespect to this either, but I feel like banging my head against the wall that no one seems to understand I actually love the addition of Juarez-Corro, for goodness sake, how can I not love having a forum dirty dozen member on our list?!, and having slighlty more than half of the list being Hispanic fugitives is ok for now since at least the list isn't entirely that way, just I wanted to nip a potential problem in the bud for future potential additions. And there's actually two extremes from people that I fear could happen: -Some could accuse the FBI of racism, asking why is the list all Hispanics etc... -Others will use it as an excuse for racist bell whistles about illegal immigration- because they'll only see Hispanic faces and names and won't realize half the Hispanic fugitives are American-born. Eugene Palmer is in his 80s and I can't imagine he'd be on the list that much longer whether he's caught or confirmed dead or not, Robert Fisher as awful as he is, it's been 20 years, they could theoretically take him off, and then what happens? Even Jason Derek Brown is nearing 20 years on the list. After them, will it then be nine of ten Hispanic fugitives? So it's not so much being outraged for now as much as giving a polite reminder for the future potential additions to the list.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 12, 2021 7:46:50 GMT -5
Sorry one more thing and then I think I'm done lol- I'd definitely complain if the list was ten white guys also as that's the opposite direction of trying too hard to be politically correct. It's not just concerns about perceived racism and/or online trolls using it as an excuse to justify racist thoughts but also feeling a diverse list makes it stand out more in my opinion.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 12, 2021 12:43:48 GMT -5
In one of the news stories on Juarez-Corro’s addition to the list, an FBI agent said, that twenty people have been added to the list in the past five years. A break down of the field offices which searched for them: Los Angeles - 3 Milwaukee - 3 Dallas - 2 Newark - 2 Chicago - 2 Seattle - 2 (The agent assigned to RCQ’s case is based out of the Seattle office). Baltimore - 1 San Antonio - 1 Charlotte - 1 Las Vegas - 1 Detroit - 1 New York - 1. Hoping to change the topic a little bit, it is somewhat surprising Milwaukee is tied for first place since it is a relatively small market city. I think it's just the way it worked out though and there really isn't a rhyme or reason for it.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Sept 12, 2021 13:07:33 GMT -5
In one of the news stories on Juarez-Corro’s addition to the list, an FBI agent said, that twenty people have been added to the list in the past five years. A break down of the field offices which searched for them: Los Angeles - 3 Milwaukee - 3 Dallas - 2 Newark - 2 Chicago - 2 Seattle - 2 (The agent assigned to RCQ’s case is based out of the Seattle office). Baltimore - 1 San Antonio - 1 Charlotte - 1 Las Vegas - 1 Detroit - 1 New York - 1. Hoping to change the topic a little bit, it is somewhat surprising Milwaukee is tied for first place since it is a relatively small market city. I think it's just the way it worked out though and there really isn't a rhyme or reason for it. What’s also interesting is the FBI Milwaukee’s first ever addition to the Top Ten was also the 10th woman to be added to the list. In a news report I saw….. next to the FBI Top Ten List wall, it had 2 plaques that contained Shanika Minor and Terry Strickland’s Posters, which I think is pretty cool. Kinda messed up the purpose for the list is to locate messed up people who murdered and hurt others, but it shows how dedicated law enforcement is to finding the bad guys regardless of how much time has passed.
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