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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 21, 2017 19:13:27 GMT -5
I want to clarify since I realize profiler24 said he thought I stated I believed Emery was alive. My honest answer- and I hate when this is my honest answer- is I honestly don't know how to feel and like the Robert Fisher case- my opinion can change from day-to-day.
To answer profiler24's other questions, the remains found were Emery's wife, not his. I assume he was declared dead under the assumption he committed suicide, but once again declaring someone is often done just for legal reasons. And as toptenhunter stated, the age-progression photos still have not been released.
Basically, I summed up my feelings in the beginning- common sense would say Emery jumped also since his wife did- but it's also not out of the question imo that he could still be alive. As a poster on the Reddit thread stated, Elena was technically a witness, and this could have been his cruel and callous plan to get rid of the only witness even if it was his own wife.
Taking nothing away from the terrible crime he committed, it really is an interesting case and debate.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 21, 2017 19:16:22 GMT -5
I should clarify I lean more towards dead than alive- but like Robert Fisher, my opinion can change by the day as opposed to other cases where I feel pretty strongly one way or the other.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 21, 2017 19:24:04 GMT -5
I should clarify I lean more towards dead than alive- but like Robert Fisher, my opinion can change by the day as opposed to other cases where I feel pretty strongly one way or the other. I actually like that we are having a discussion with different opinions ☺️. I have to admit that Adam Emery does fall into the Robert Fisher category, but I feel sometimes we need to think the way law enforcement does, think outside the box and ask questions like, Did Adam push his own wife to her death in order to avoid capture instead of having to travel with her on the run? or Do investigators really believe Emery is in Italy? |
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 21, 2017 19:30:11 GMT -5
I should clarify I lean more towards dead than alive- but like Robert Fisher, my opinion can change by the day as opposed to other cases where I feel pretty strongly one way or the other. I actually like that we are having a discussion with different opinions ☺️. I have to admit that Adam Emery does fall into the Robert Fisher category, but I feel sometimes we need to think the way law enforcement does, think outside the box and ask questions like, Did Adam push his own wife to her death in order to avoid capture instead of having to travel with her on the run? or Do investigators really believe Emery is in Italy? There's nothing wrong with having different opinions, basically my response was in relation to suddenly realizing profiler24 thought I said Emery was alive when my honest opinion is the chickenly answer of not being sure one way or the other lol. But speaking of that, as I stated in my OP, another possibility is that Emery actually really did plan to commit suicide, but "chicken"-ed out after his wife went through with it. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 21, 2017 19:59:12 GMT -5
I actually like that we are having a discussion with different opinions ☺️. I have to admit that Adam Emery does fall into the Robert Fisher category, but I feel sometimes we need to think the way law enforcement does, think outside the box and ask questions like, Did Adam push his own wife to her death in order to avoid capture instead of having to travel with her on the run? or Do investigators really believe Emery is in Italy? There's nothing wrong with having different opinions, basically my response was in relation to suddenly realizing profiler24 thought I said Emery was alive when my honest opinion is the chickenly answer of not being sure one way or the other lol. But speaking of that, as I stated in my OP, another possibility is that Emery actually really did plan to commit suicide, but "chicken"-ed out after his wife went through with it. Yes indeed it’s really hard to grapple with this case given the circumstances in which things went down and the amount of time that has gone by, Scumhunter’s answer was neutral or uncontested since things could have gone one way or another. Btw going back to the age progressed images, they do have me waiting impatiently, but I’m wondering if they are saving them for the 25th anniversary coming next year, or are waiting to make the release of the images with a significant reward amount or they’ll release the images if/when they get the chance to add Emery to the FBI Top 10 once a slot opens up. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 15, 2018 2:28:44 GMT -5
Emery is no longer on the FBI's website. Considering hown high-profile a case this, I'm sure the FBI just removed him to make room for newer fugitives and Emery is still at large as of this update. (7/15/2018).
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 14, 2019 3:35:52 GMT -5
I re-watched the Unsolved Mysteries segment and one thing that does seem odd is Emery was upset about the price of the sporting goods equipment he and Elena had bought. If you're going to kill yourself anyway, why do you care how much items cost?
At the same time, that bay seems pretty huge and it took over a year to find Elena's remains.
With Fisher, I admittedly change my mind every day but lean towards alive.
With Emery, I admittedly change my mind every day but lean towards dead.
But that sporting goods thing is odd, unless he thought spending so much could arouse suspicion.
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Post by Maddog on Aug 19, 2019 23:17:16 GMT -5
I re-watched the Unsolved Mysteries segment and one thing that does seem odd is Emery was upset about the price of the sporting goods equipment he and Elena had bought. If you're going to kill yourself anyway, why do you care how much items cost? At the same time, that bay seems pretty huge and it took over a year to find Elena's remains. With Fisher, I admittedly change my mind every day but lean towards alive. With Emery, I admittedly change my mind every day but lean towards dead. But that sporting goods thing is odd, unless he thought spending so much could arouse suspicion. I’m leaning towards dead, too. I don’t think Elena would have killed herself and let Adam just go on the run. The fact that he’s been declared legally dead means a Judge felt there was enough evidence there to indicate Emery was dead, too. |
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Post by dasia83 on Sept 5, 2019 12:35:27 GMT -5
Hi. I grew up in Warwick, RI & was just a kid when this happened. I’ve read all of the reporting on this case I could find as well as all of the impossible to confirm things posted on various forums w/ threads on the Emery case. One source I came across states that Detective Hopkins traveled to Florida following “the money trail” after the abandoned car was found. Does anyone know if this is true? And what money trail? If he was using credit cards he didn’t destroy and law enforcement was able to track him to Florida, the chances he is alive are obviously raised by a whole lot. I don’t know if it actually happened though. It would go some way towards explaining why the FBI don’t seem to believe he’s dead. I can find virtually nothing about the investigations conducted by the state or the FBI after the day he disappeared. If they want the public’s help they’ve got to give up a little lmore than they have.
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 5, 2019 13:58:28 GMT -5
Hi dasia83,
Welcome to the forum!
I cannot find anything confirming Detective Hopkins found a money trail to Florida, only that it is believed Emery possibly fled to Italy or Florida.
The FBI claims to have had sightings of him, although it is a double-edged sword if you reveal precisely where sightings may be. They may help or they may tip Emery off if he's still out there.
I think one issue is this case has been out of the recent national spotlight, and perhaps more information would be revealed if he was profiled again either on John Walsh's shows or the upcoming reboot of Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix. I think perhaps the lead officials on the case would perhaps be a little more forthcoming if interviewed on tv in present day.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Oct 21, 2019 12:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by profiler24 on Jul 14, 2020 3:09:32 GMT -5
I think that Emory is almost certainly dead. The odds of Elena jumping and Adam not doing so seem slim. Where as it may be a plausible theory, what it all comes down to is how much did Adam really love Elena, I tend to think he never jumped and deceived his own wife by either not jumping with her or pushing her, which makes him complicit in the death of his wife. Then again there really is no evidence if he’s dead or not. The stress of already being convicted and facing a significant sentence for it may be a reason why Adam may have wanted a clean slate, which is another theory why only his wife Elena’s remains were found and not his. Also I think the reason Emery was readded in 2010 was because they probably reassessed the case and felt there was a good possibility he was alive. They were going to make age progressed images of him 2 years ago and still nothing and right now he would be 55 years old today as of this posting. I was wondering if sketches of Emory with age enhanced photos have ever been published and shown in the newspapers or on TV channels. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 31, 2020 13:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by Maddog on Oct 8, 2020 23:18:13 GMT -5
I noticed on Wikipedia that there was a quote with a link to a source that the FBI believes there is a strong likelihood that Emery will be found within five years. That story didn’t have that link, though. Can anyone confirm that this is true or is this hype on the Wikipedia page?
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Post by Scumhunter on Oct 8, 2020 23:20:07 GMT -5
While I can't find anything, to me, that sounds more like a confident prediction rather than any fact or inside information.
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