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Post by HeadMarshal on Jun 25, 2013 17:46:49 GMT -5
 Authorities in Colorado are seeking answers in connection with the cold case murders of two Columbine High School students at a restaurant. AMW aired this case once on Mar 10, 2001 (really surprised it wasn't aired afterwards). On the morning of Feb 14, 2000, the bodies of 16-year old Stephanie Hart and 15-year old Nicholas Kunselman were found in a Subway Sandwich shop in Jefferson County, Colorado. A co-worker of Nicholas discovered the bodies. Stephanie had come around midnight the previous night to pick up Nicholas, her boyfriend at the end of his shift. She had snuck out of her home instead of doing homework. Witnesses described a white male, aged 16-18 years leaving the restaurant through the back door after midnight. He has never been identified. There are a few possible motives regarding this case. First is that the murders were drug related as the area may have been prone to drug activity. The second is that this could be a case of jealousy. The third is that whoever's responsible for this crime committed it because the Subway restaurant was a few blocks from Columbine High School. I do NOT want conspiracy theorists coming on here and saying that the murders were connected to the Columbine High School massacre and a larger plot regarding that incident, yes there are Columbine Massacre conspiracy theories. It's possible that may have motivated someone to commit this crime. Judging by the age of the person seen leaving the restaurant, all three possibilities would make sense. This could have even have been a robbery gone bad (the articles I bring up don't mention this however). Thoughts? Something else interesting was a lawsuit filed against the owner of the Subway shop may have turned his back to drug dealing that may have occurred there. (Drug dealers apparently used the restaurant's back door to deal drugs). One of the lawyers on behalf of Stephanie's mother said that Nicholas may have been using marijuana at the time of the murders so that adds some credibility to the drug-related theory. Admin Note #1: According to articles, anyone with information about the case is asked to contact the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office at 303-271-5612Admin Note #2: If you have any news-related updated information on this case, please contact us here: amwfans.com/thread/1662/website-contact-formm.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/13/budding-love-brutal-deaths/denver.cbslocal.com/2011/02/13/2-young-murder-victims-remembered-11-years-later/extras.denverpost.com/news/news0211c.htmblogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2008/02/03/new-profile-valentines-day-murder-of-two-teens/18/ |
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 25, 2013 18:02:23 GMT -5
The drug angle makes a lot of sense.
Also don't believe in conspiracies. While I don't think the Columbine/Littleton/South Metro Denver area surrounding area is cursed- I will call it incredibly unlucky- with in addition to the this incident,, the Littleton bowling alley murders and Aurora and its movie theatre massacre was close-by as well.
It is rather sad how many violent tragedies this area has had to put up with.
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Post by theczar on Jun 25, 2013 18:31:55 GMT -5
This case has always intrigued me, even the conspiracy theories around it.
My belief is that Nicholas may have been involved in dealing, and that both of them were probably users as well. In one article I read, Stephanie's mother referred to her daughter as a "flower child." Forgive me, but to me, "flower child" is just a polite way of saying pothead. Anyway, maybe Nick owed someone money, maybe someone owed him money and didn't want to pay. Either way, it was unnecessary to happen.
And sadly, dealing is not uncommon in fast food places. It occurred frequently in the two I worked at, both using and dealing, and not just weed. Unless the owners crack down, it just continues.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Jun 25, 2013 18:52:48 GMT -5
Excellent points from both of you as usual.
Curious what both of you think has since happened to the killer(s). Judging by the actions of the person depicted in the sketch, it's safe to say that he's involved, although he may have had associates linked to this crime. Could he be in jail either in Colorado or elsewhere, involved with a major drug-trafficking operation or have been killed as a result of his involvement in this murder. Someone that young has to have bragged about committing the murders and judging by how it occurred 10 months after the Columbine Massacre, perhaps certain people wouldn't want the extra attention being focused on their illicit operations.
I'm also of the opinion that the owner of the Subway restaurant knows who committed this crime but never came forward to prevent having a greenlight (requested murder) placed on him/her.
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Post by theczar on Jun 25, 2013 19:13:18 GMT -5
We need to remember that the sketch is that of someone who was seen leaving the store late; if the drug stories are true, it wouldn't be too far-fetched for someone to be leaving through the back. Maybe the witnesses missed seeing the actual killer.
I think that everyone knows a lot more than what they're saying. There's a chance the couple's friends and acquaintances know who's responsible, but won't cooperate because either they're involved with dealing, or they're terrified of someone who'd execute two young teens over some weed. I don't know what happened with the lawsuit against the owner, but they need to answer some questions. Were they aware of what was happening, did they try to stop it, or were they even part of it? Also, what was a 15 year-old doing closing a store by himself at around midnight?
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Post by profiler24 on May 2, 2015 17:46:00 GMT -5
We need to remember that the sketch is that of someone who was seen leaving the store late; if the drug stories are true, it wouldn't be too far-fetched for someone to be leaving through the back. Maybe the witnesses missed seeing the actual killer. I think that everyone knows a lot more than what they're saying. There's a chance the couple's friends and acquaintances know who's responsible, but won't cooperate because either they're involved with dealing, or they're terrified of someone who'd execute two young teens over some weed. I don't know what happened with the lawsuit against the owner, but they need to answer some questions. Were they aware of what was happening, did they try to stop it, or were they even part of it? Also, what was a 15 year-old doing closing a store by himself at around midnight? A lot of coherent remarks and deductions. Perhaps the friends or acquaintances have been threatened of being killed if they ever talk to the police. Also one might dig up what was the owner's role in that case. And to your last question, normally a 15 years old kid is not supposed to close a store at midnight. |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 1, 2017 1:53:43 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 2, 2017 1:04:06 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 17, 2019 2:51:40 GMT -5
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Post by 912thamwuser on Apr 20, 2019 11:41:25 GMT -5
On the bidecadial anniversary of the Columbine High School Massacre, I want to remind everyone out there that, while the school shooters ended up dead before they could consider going on the run, this other multi-murder of teenagers is still unsolved. Particularly frustrating is the fact that we've heard nothing about any progress made! I wish there were more ways to reheat the case.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Apr 20, 2019 12:23:14 GMT -5
On the bidecadial anniversary of the Columbine High School Massacre, I want to remind everyone out there that, while the school shooters ended up dead before they could consider going on the run, this other multi-murder of teenagers is still unsolved. Particularly frustrating is the fact that we've heard nothing about any progress made! I wish there were more ways to reheat the case. Agreed 100%. Especially frustrating is that compared to other unsolved homicides, I feel this case is really solvable. Aside from the sketch of the killer, the employees of the Subway at the time more likely than not know more than they have revealed, which really doesn't help matters. You would think after 19 years, they would be more willing to talk and get the information off their chest. |
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Post by Maddog on Jul 24, 2019 0:49:09 GMT -5
Anyone know if the restaurant was robbed or had anything of value missing?
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 24, 2019 5:39:14 GMT -5
A 2000 New York Times article had a spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office saying he doesn't believe it's a robbery. Additionally, an employee who worked at the Subway said large bills were removed every hour, so if the killer got any money, it would only be 50 dollars at most or pocket change. Sometimes a robber panics or gets frustrated, but the known evidence indicates a personal rather than financial motive (if there is a drug angle, that technically could also a financial motive depending on what the killer was angry about but as far as the store itself being the financial target that seems on the surface to not be the case). www.nytimes.com/2000/02/15/us/in-sandwich-shop-2-more-columbine-students-are-killed.html |
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Post by Maddog on Jul 27, 2019 23:58:37 GMT -5
Yeah. Plus, this reads like a drug hit. The killer shot them both and then fled. Nothing I have heard of with this case indicates that they were subject to extreme rage by the killer (I.e. torture, etc.).
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 14, 2020 3:09:19 GMT -5
Metro Denver Crime Stoppers has increased their reward for information from $2,000 to $12,000
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