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Post by HeadMarshal on Mar 2, 2015 20:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 2, 2015 20:42:33 GMT -5
I agree with Pakman a "compromise" would be giving her a new trial. I'd be all for it. Right now, she was convicted, she's guilty to me. This isn't Sarah Pender. No one who was involved in bringing her to justice has said they no longer believe she's guilty. But if a new trial happened with new evidence or circumstances not revealed from the first trial and a jury cleared her based on that, I'd accept that as well as harsh as I am based on the current conviction. But she should be back on U.S. soil for that trial.
I don't normally share my politics on this forum, but while I think opening lines of communication with Cuba might be worth trying, if they're still going to be uncooperative regarding fugitives, it does feel like they're getting a lot more from us than we are from them.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Apr 16, 2015 15:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 16, 2015 16:37:43 GMT -5
For the first time in a long time, I am encouraged. I don't usually like to get political in non off-topic threads. But during President Obama's State of The Union speech, he said, regarding U.S.-Cuba relations, that if you're something you're doing doesn't work for fifty years, it's time to try something new. I agree with him on that. However, Cuba still harboring Chesimard and other fugitives is what makes me weary.
Now it seems like there is some hope at least as opposed to no hope. I still say if worse comes to worse, at least give Chesimard a new trial. But she has to come back here for it.
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Post by profiler24 on May 2, 2015 17:04:08 GMT -5
so what's exactly the deal ? She is still free an not in jail? Hasn't law enforcement decided to send a military sniper to get rid of her???
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Post by Scumhunter on May 2, 2015 17:54:15 GMT -5
She used to hide out in plain sight. I think now she's a little more low key but still believed there. As far as going to even more extremes, I understand she is considered a terrorist on the FBI's website. However, in most cases you can't send snipers after a fugitive obviously. That's not how the justice system works and I don't condone shooting and killing a fugitive unless in self-defense, a prison escapee who disobeys a command, or a hostage situation. However, if one wants to claim some sort of legal gray area because she's considered a terrorist like Bin Laden I guess they can make somewhat of an argument although my personal opinion is it's far-fetched.
In any case, the U.S. would never do that because it would set back U.S.-Cuba relations they are now trying to improve- to likely no relations at all anymore after that, not to mention it would meet with a lot of protest in the U.S. itself.
They seem to be making some progress and are now at least "talking" about her it seems with the improved relations.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 7, 2015 13:50:16 GMT -5
Joanne Chesimard is now the FBI's case of the week. Find that a bit weird considering it seems she's still believed in Cuba and it's a matter of better U.S.-Cuban cooperation but perhaps it's not known exactly where in Cuba she is anymore.
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Post by HeadMarshal on May 9, 2015 20:05:31 GMT -5
Joanne Chesimard is now the FBI's case of the week. Find that a bit weird considering it seems she's still believed in Cuba and it's a matter of better U.S.-Cuban cooperation but perhaps it's not known exactly where in Cuba she is anymore. I believe the FBI mentioned on Twitter that some of this week's featured cases would be related to crimes against law enforcement since it was Police Week.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 9, 2015 20:38:03 GMT -5
Ah, that makes sense!
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Post by Scumhunter on Sept 20, 2015 18:28:19 GMT -5
I usually don't like to get too political on here but since it's been mentioned in the media, Pope Francis is in Cuba and helping to deepen diplomatic ties between them and the U.S. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has criticized this, citing Cuba is still refusing to give up Joanne Chesimard. So here's my take: While I certainly understand Governor Christie's argument, I do think that thanks to the somewhat improved relations in the past year, the odds of us ever seeing the day of Chesimard being sent back here is probably better than they were before 2014. If we were still in the cold war era of relations, there would be no chance of getting Chesimard sent back here. And in my opinion, even though admittedly the odds are against it, the odds are now better with improved relations. (In other words, it went from no chance in hell to slight chance in hell). The U.S. and Cuba relationship is still thawing and there are still a lot of areas that need work, and need progress. Hopefully Chesimard will come up in due time. But in my opinion, while I understand Governor Christie's frustrations, you have a better chance if you're friendly or getting friendly with your "enemy" or former enemy, than you do if you're not friendly with them. (Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer, if you want to call it that.) www.cnn.com/2015/09/20/politics/chris-christie-pope-francis-cuba/
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 23, 2016 12:05:51 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 3, 2016 17:34:29 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 8, 2016 18:48:39 GMT -5
The FBI traveled to Havanna today furthering speculation about a Montes for Chesimard swap. While I wish Chesimard would be sent back on her own, which would truly show a thaw in relations, it is somewhat progress. Not thrilled because Montes' crimes and the damage and potential damage she caused should not be forgiven. However, she was a spy for Cuba during a different time so I don't see her as much of a threat now as she was back then. www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article82596247.html
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Post by King Of Clubs on Jun 12, 2016 21:21:54 GMT -5
Sorry to be bluntly political here, but if our president was a half-decent negotiator then maybe we would have a better shot at getting Chesimard, and all of these other monsters back here.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 12, 2016 23:22:38 GMT -5
Well I hate to get political either but multiple Presidents, Democrats and Republicans, have not been able to get Cuban fugitives back here for like 50 years. (As a matter of fact stories of fugitives such as a couple being wanted for kidnapping actually being sent back here were basically unheard of until the Obama administration).
I have bipartisan complaints here. One is that Republican Governor Chris Christie seems to think Rome was built in a day and that after a tiny thaw after 50 years of hating us Cuba will be suddenly do everything we want right away without negotiation. The other is that if the Democratic administration thinks sending them back a spy is the solution I'm not thrilled with that either as I feel two wrongs don't make a right.
But the fact of the matter is there was never any hope at all before the past few years. Now there's a slight chance in hell as opposed to none.
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