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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 13, 2013 10:34:20 GMT -5
Missing Child Profile as of November 30th, 2017: (Based on missingkids.org poster) Missing Since: Oct 3, 2011 Missing From: Kansas City, MO DOB: Nov 11, 2010 Age (as of 11/30/2017): 7 Sex: Female Race: White Hair Color: Blonde Eye Color: Blue Height: 2'6" Weight: 30 lbs Lisa Irwin was only eleven months old when she was abducted from her Kansas City, Missouri Home back in October of 2011. She was profiled on AMW's first ever episode on Lifetime on December 2nd, 2011. Before the airing, John Walsh originally ridiculed Lisa's parents for not cooperating with investigators and not doing enough to find their baby, but the parents seem to have stepped up their game since then, appearing on Dr. Phil and then later the "Today" show last may to reveal their credit card was stolen and a month later there was a charge of 69.04 for a British website for a baby name-changing service. This gives hope Lisa was only abducted and may one day be reunited with her parents. If anyone knows anything, do the right thing and call or e-mail AMW. web.archive.org/web/20120104210552/http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=78835#briefwww.ibtimes.com/missing-baby-lisa-irwin-amws-john-walsh-wants-toddlers-parents-cooperate-police-378202www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/21/baby-lisa-irwin-clue-debit-card-name-changing-website_n_1532786.html?utm_hp_ref=lisa-irwinNCMEC link: www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/1180911/1Admin Note #1: According to missingkids.org, anyone having information should call 1-800-THE-LOST or the Kansas City Police Department (Missouri) at 1-816-474-8477Admin Note #2: If you have any news-related updated information on this case, please contact us here: amwfans.com/thread/1662/website-contact-form
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Post by lesley on Apr 14, 2013 4:46:50 GMT -5
I disagree with your assessment of this case. I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe an abduction is even a slight possibility. None of the dogs in the neighborhood barked. Deborah admitted that the window was an unlikely entry point after it was shown to her that it couldn't be done quietly. An intruder would not have left lights on. Kidnappers don't take cell phones because they can be used to track them. The credit card charge went to a stationery store. Kidnappers don't use their victims credit cards because they can be used to track them. Irwin and Bradley themselves didn't believe the credit card lead, or they would have gone to Brittain to look for their "missing" daughter, because even if they couldn't figure it out themselves, their lawyers could have told them that the name change form is only valid IN GB, and cannot be used for passports for international travel, so they would have been stuck there with the baby. Also, Jeremy Irwin had one of the cell phones with him at work, which their lawyer accidentally proved. They lied about the phones, they didn't tell the police about the alcohol until the police found the receipt and questioned them about it. A cadaver dog hit in the mom's bedroom beside her bed. Comforters blankets and toys were taken into evidence the day of the cadaver dog hit, leading me to believe the smell the dog hit on was on a blanket. I really hope they don't get away with this. They have not stepped up their game, they have merely perpetuated their lies.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2013 5:05:35 GMT -5
I will admit I'm not an expert on this case and chose it hoping it would lead to more discussion and I would learn a few more things. You've brought up a lot of valid points I was unaware of. So thank you for your input as it has me looking at a different angle as well now.
I meant the parents stepped up their game as far as "appearing" to finally show concern by going on talk shows. Whether it's a facade is another question.
I hope one day we find out what happened to Lisa. Obviously we still hope for the best-case scenario no matter how unlikely, but in a worse-case scenario I hope the truth comes out.
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Post by lesley on Apr 14, 2013 11:51:16 GMT -5
Did you know that the mom claimed to have drank "enough to black out" knowing that she was home alone with three children and knowing that she should not be drinking due to their interaction with her anti-anxiety meds? Alcohol with those meds can cause irritability, Mania,Hostility and rage, Aggressive or impulsive behavior, and Hallucinations because drinking with these meds increases the likelihood of a paradoxical reaction. It's sad and scary, but I think she lost control of her temper with Lisa, because Lisa woke up hungry, wet, and not feeling well just when Deborah wanted to go pass out.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2013 12:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by lesley on Apr 14, 2013 12:56:22 GMT -5
I have to laugh at that one article. Stanton said "Grief is causing inconsistencies in her stories." I have grieved and it never caused inconsistencies in my stories. Every time I have ever had problems with inconsistencies in my stories it was because I was LYING. If that excuse flies, Jodi Arias is also having MAJOR GRIEVING PROBLEMS, lol.
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Post by lesley on Apr 14, 2013 18:44:57 GMT -5
I wonder too, if grief is causing the inconsistencies in Stanton's own stories? If so, who is he grieving for? I recall him saying that he was going to investigate until he got an answer EVEN IF IT POINTED TO THE PARENTS. When it became obvious that it pointed toward the parents, he vanished completely. I wonder what his word means to him? I am very concerned about his reputation, since it is important in his line of work.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2013 19:15:01 GMT -5
I am usually careful when it comes to missing person or children cases, if no one's been charged, but it is very concerning if even the parents own investigator has suddenly faded from public spotlight. Perhaps he just wanted his 15 minutes of fame but who knows. Of course, all the other issues I've discovered a bit more of here is also concerning. I only "knew" of this case from the brief media spotlights that it was a well known missing child case and there was a large internet effort to find her, and thanks in part to you , I've also learned there is a lot more to it. Also, off-topic but that whole Jodi Arias trial is a circus. While we've seen surprising jury verdicts lately, if that woman is found anything other than guilty, my jaw will drop in shock.
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Post by willstand on Apr 15, 2013 9:22:37 GMT -5
Using a figure of speech, there is a list "a mile long" pointing to Lisa Irwin's parents' suspicious behavior along with pure facts related to the case. Add to what writer,Lesley above, listed - the last thing we heard from the parents - citing your Dr Phil appearance - was (paraphrasing) (general public) was going to get tired of seeing them - that they were not going away. Anybody heard a word since? They DO push their flyers some say but name one other action on their part that even half way resembles angusihed parents looking for a missing baby. When a mother can put a sick baby to bed at 6:40PM , proceed to drink with a buddy til she passes out at some 10:00PM or 11:00 PM - and not know WHAT happened to her baby or the other two small ones in the house for that matter - I suppose it not out of character for this same mother to refuse to give the police that interview they have asked for. And for a man to come home from work at 4AM, find his baby gone and he wakes his drunk girlfriend (the mother) to ask where is the baby and she says, dunno -got drunk - and then he joins her in this long silence - other than the Dr. Phil or some other entertaining show. Now, this is coming from their mouths - who knows if the mother was really drunk, mad, sick and tired of baby sitting or what. She just says she was justified with her "Me Time" and she holds to it even though it cost her the baby.
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Post by lesley on Apr 15, 2013 17:53:20 GMT -5
And she continues to drink. It seems almost like a warning to the two boys who remain in her care. Rather than acknowledging that it endangered the children, she defends the drinking. It's sick.
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Post by Scumhunter on Jan 18, 2016 20:19:11 GMT -5
Crime Watch Daily did a story on the 4-year anniversary of the case. A quick summary some of which has been referenced previously: Apparently there was a possible sighting of a man carrying a baby in his arm but no one if that's true or not. Deborah Stanton failed a polygraph test but insists she had nothing to do with Lisa's disappearance. They also discussed about Lisa's parents hiring a high-powered New York defense attorney and a controversial New York Private Investigator who was described by Bo Dietl (a famous ex-NYPD Detective) as "not even able to find a black person in Harlem." For what it's worth, Deborah Stanton did interviews on tv and was very emotional. I want to stress a lot of us are emotional about this case and I agree that a lot of what Deborah is saying doesn't make sense to me. However, as concerned as I am, I only want to truth to come out, whether she had anything to do with it or it was really was a stranger abduction. If it turns out a stranger took Lisa, I'll be the first one to say "my bad" and apologize for questioning any inconsistencies. crimewatchdaily.com/videos/0-v3bi7vmh/
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 30, 2017 1:13:54 GMT -5
Just wanted to mention that in 2015, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children's missingkids.org website released a new age-progression image of Lisa might look like at age 5:
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