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Post by HeadMarshal on Apr 3, 2013 11:27:07 GMT -5
www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57577035/how-the-fbi-picks-its-ten-most-wanted-list/Edwin Gracias was the 498th and most recent fugitive to be added to the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitive List. CBS News says that the FBI plans on having a major event to publicize the 500th addition and to celebrate the program. The FBI is currently discussing as to who they want to be the 500th fugitive, only that they want the chosen fugitive to be particularly bad. The question is, who will that fugitive be? Thoughts?
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 3, 2013 12:27:48 GMT -5
Well they have to get there first. They can get up to the 500th addition rather quickly by in addition to filling Edwin Rivera Gracias' open slot finally removing Victor Gerena. I know it's easy for me to say since I'm not a family member of one of his victims but he's obviously in Cuba who won't extradite him and part of the criteria is the threat deemed to the public. I don't think he's really a threat to do harm in the states anymore, as sad as it is he hasn't been caught yet.
Anyway, Yaser Said SHOULD be the 500th addition. I just hope the FBI has the guts to do the right thing and name him as such.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Apr 3, 2013 13:24:24 GMT -5
Well they have to get there first. They can get up to the 500th addition rather quickly by in addition to filling Edwin Rivera Gracias' open slot finally removing Victor Gerena. I know it's easy for me to say since I'm not a family member of one of his victims but he's obviously in Cuba who won't extradite him and part of the criteria is the threat deemed to the public. I don't think he's really a threat to do harm in the states anymore, as sad as it is he hasn't been caught yet. Anyway, Yaser Said SHOULD be the 500th addition. I just hope the FBI has the guts to do the right thing and name him as such. I remember when Derek suggested they should add Plaurent Dervishaj to the list because Dervishaj had a death toll of 7, with one victim murdered using tank artillery! But you're damn right they should add Yaser Abdel Said to the list! Not only did he kill his teenage daughters, but Texas law enforcement and the victims' relatives have a decent amount of evidence to prove he was molesting them when they were younger, and he could be molesting more children to this day, if he hasn't already! There's nothing racially obscene about taking a double murderer and likely child molester off the streets for good! |
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Post by HeadMarshal on Apr 3, 2013 13:59:56 GMT -5
As much as Yaser Said really deserves to make the list there are a few reasons why I doubt the FBI will add him. 1: Yaser Said doesn't pose that much of a threat to public safety. As we've seen on AMW, familial violence fugitives don't tend to commit very many violent crimes while on the run. Even though it is more than likely that Said sexually abused Sarah and Anima, statistically, incest molesters are the least likely group of sex offenders to re-offend. www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/cor/rep/2004-03-se-off-eng.aspxwww.wsipp.wa.gov/rptfiles/soff_recid.pdf2: The FBI doesn't add many non-breaking news familial violence fugitives to the Top Ten List anymore. I won't count Edwin Gracias because the FBI added him because of his ties to MS-13. The last familial violence fugitive to be added was Jorge Lopez-Orozco in 2005. Also, I'm not sure if the FBI has ever added an incest-molester fugitive (If they have it had to been at the latest in the mid 90s). 3: The FBI may be concerned regarding retaliation by Middle Eastern extremists. Now I am not accusing all or even the majority of Middle Eastern individuals of doing this but certain ones may respect Yaser Said and commit crimes against the FBI. 4: Said was Walsh's Most Wanted Fugitive of 2008. FBI Top Tenners never made it higher than #5 on the Year-End lists. It should be noted that Fidel Urbina and Robert Fisher were both ranked #9 in their respective years before they were added to the Top Ten Lists. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 3, 2013 17:03:23 GMT -5
I know you've provided solid reasons for why the FBI won't add Said in the past and we've also both agreed the case has become bogged down in unrelated politics and that's why I'm so passionate about this case. I'm tired of the politics and he DESERVES to be on the list. Not because of his background but because he molested and killed his daughters. He's a bad man whether he's Egyptian, Italian, African-American, White, Puerto Rican, or from outer space. Especially considering the evidence pointing to him likely being in New York City. IMO, enough is enough. The FBI needs to make Yaser Said a priority. Not a guy who just had a flyer out.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Apr 3, 2013 17:58:07 GMT -5
There are several issues I have with Victor Gerena still being on the list. From what I've read, it isn't believed that Gerena even kept much of the $7 million from the armored car robbery. Also, it isn't unheard of for the FBI to add domestic terrorism related fugitives and remove them without any apprehension; Katherine Power who was wanted for the murder of a police officer was on the list from 1970 to 1984, she surrendered in 1993. Leo Burt was also removed from the list in 1976 and he's still at large. It's not that domestic terrorism still isn't a problem in the US, it's just that the concern has shifted away from Puerto Rican nationalist groups and the like. Besides, even if relations with Cuba improve, the FBI can only hope there's still a paper trail available to locate Gerena. 29-years later, there's far more noteworthy fugitives the FBI can put on their list. His crime isn't really that noteworthy, especially when you consider that according to the FBI, Los Macheteros were arguing amongst themselves in 1984 about what to do with the $7 million. www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/04/01/victor_manuel_gerena_the_fbi_ten_most_wanted_list_s_longest_tenured_member.html |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 3, 2013 18:04:48 GMT -5
Excellent article. And the FBI tends to remove fugitives if the type of threat they're related to isn't relevant. We assumed on the old forum Leo Burt was removed because he had been protesting the now over and unpopular Vietnam War. I don't hear that much about Puerto Rican nationalist groups anymore.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Apr 3, 2013 18:16:17 GMT -5
Also removing Gerena from the list wouldn't make the FBI List that less effective. I checked their FAQ page to see in what decades certain fugitives were removed for no longer making the list criteria or the warrant against them was dismissed. Here's what I found. www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/ten-most-wanted-fugitives-faq/ten-most-wanted-fugitives-faq#111950s: Henry Mitchell (#4) 1960s: Frederick Tenuto (#14), James Diggs (#36), David Keegan (#78), Eugene Newman (#97), Angelo Puero (#107), Donald Payne (#137), Edward Maps (#170), Harold O'Brien (#175), Chester Collins (#193) 1970s: John Clouser (#203), Taylor Teaford (#279), Benjamin Paddock (#302), Dwight Armstrong (#310), Leo Burt (#313), Bernadrine Dohrn (#314) 1980s: Katherine Power (#315), Charles Hammond (#392), Michael Hammond (#393) 1990s: None 2000s: Donald Webb (#375), Arthur Lee Washington (#427) 2010s: None so far So the message is that out the current Top Ten fugitives, the only fugitive that needs to be removed from the list in this decade is Victor Gerena. It would likely not lead to as many removals from the list as what happened in the 60's and 70's. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 22, 2013 15:19:23 GMT -5
With Eric Justin Toth's capture, there are now two open slots on the list and we are now almost at addition #500!
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 16, 2013 23:59:28 GMT -5
An article is claiming the FBI is about to add its 500th fugitive to the top 10 list. I'm confused since I thought we were at 499. Perhaps they mean one step closer? It is an article from the uk. The article states the name has not yet been disclosed but the next addition to be named soon is a male wanted for child sexual exploitation from California. The only two names I can think of off the top of my head that might be worthy are Roger Giese and Jeffrey McDaniel so this should be interesting.... www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3792562.ece |
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Post by HeadMarshal on Jun 17, 2013 10:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 17, 2013 10:55:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates Derek! I will edit to include Guevara and make a new thread for Williams!
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Post by Scumhunter on Jun 17, 2013 11:10:14 GMT -5
Even though the FBI took nearly a year to replace Osama Bin Laden and Whitey Bulger, I had a feeling we'd get to 500 quicker because of the current FBI's director retirement.
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