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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 11, 2018 3:20:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much on the internet is "rumored" or truth. And lots of people have dark sides and it doesn't make them killers. I feel it is best to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, but not to rule him out at the same time. Very true Looking at the general investigation after Nyleen vanished, I think the police did just about everything they could (it was far from a shoddy investigation). I remember on Unsolved Mysteries Deputy Campbell with the Sheriff’s Office indicating that they even did a grid search with volunteers to no avail. Granted, the forest there was very dense, but Campbell seemed to me to hint what he thought had happened: “There was absolutely nothing to indicate she was even there.” Is it possible that Nyleen just wandered into the forest and got lost? Yes, but I am not putting a lot of stock into that theory. By the way, I do remember from the UM Broadcast that Nyleen’s uncle realized that he saw two people who closely represented sketches of two abduction suspects. Does anyone know which case those abduction suspect sketches are from? I re-watched the broadcast on my Amazon Prime collection and they just said "a man and woman from another part of the country." |
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Post by Maddog on Dec 11, 2018 3:32:01 GMT -5
Very true Looking at the general investigation after Nyleen vanished, I think the police did just about everything they could (it was far from a shoddy investigation). I remember on Unsolved Mysteries Deputy Campbell with the Sheriff’s Office indicating that they even did a grid search with volunteers to no avail. Granted, the forest there was very dense, but Campbell seemed to me to hint what he thought had happened: “There was absolutely nothing to indicate she was even there.” Is it possible that Nyleen just wandered into the forest and got lost? Yes, but I am not putting a lot of stock into that theory. By the way, I do remember from the UM Broadcast that Nyleen’s uncle realized that he saw two people who closely represented sketches of two abduction suspects. Does anyone know which case those abduction suspect sketches are from? I re-watched the broadcast on my Amazon Prime collection and they just said "a man and woman from another part of the country." Hmm... I was hoping to know which case that was - would be intriguing to compare the facts of that case to Nyleen’s. There was a comment on Reddit that the Sheriff brought in helicopters with heat-seeking infrared, and additionally, several people saw that man in the jogging suit described on UM, and that a composite was made of the made by hypnotizing the people who saw him. Not sure if that’s true or not, but if it is, and there is later a criminal prosecution of the person responsible, they wouldn’t be able to put those witnesses on the stand (it’s commonly accepted in the practice of law that hypnotized witnesses can confuse fact with bits of fiction). |
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Post by Maddog on Dec 12, 2018 22:08:32 GMT -5
There’s a very good Dark Matters episode on this case on YouTube, and having watched it, I am even more convinced that Nyleen was abducted. She was apparently barefoot at the time she disappeared, and I agree with the video that if she did wander off, she wouldn’t have gotten far. Keep in mind, they were in a forest: there are numerous pine needles, stones, twigs, and other objects strewn all over the ground. Plus, it would have probably been even easier for the dogs to have traced her scent if she was barefoot because they would have had her shoes as a scent tool for the dogs.
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Post by TheWebDetective on Jan 23, 2019 2:19:37 GMT -5
Does anyone know which case those abduction suspect sketches are from? Russel Mort and Wallace Guidroz. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Jul 10, 2019 0:18:39 GMT -5
Nyleen Marshall’s mother’s remains were found in a hotel room in Mexico in 1995. She had been sexually assaulted. I’ve had to listen to the podcast 3 times in a row and what stood out to me was Nancy Marshall’s (Nyleen’s now deceased mother) murder or also speculated suicide.
I’m curious if the man who was calling and sending letters likely got rid of Nancy as the man was known to travel to other parts of the United States, as well as internationally to places like England and Canada, but then again Nancy could have had her life cut short thanks to drug cartels.
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Post by TheWebDetective on Jan 10, 2020 5:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by Maddog on Apr 11, 2022 23:16:44 GMT -5
I was wondering if anyone has heard why Nyleen's step-father Kim Marshall was considered a "person of interest"? I want to disclaim: I am not accusing Kim Marshall of committing any crime at all. I'm just wondering if they just couldn't officially clear him due to a lack of evidence to do so or if he displayed suspicious behavior that really raised some red flags.
Additionally, I was wondering if anyone felt that law enforcement was currently discounting the Wisconsin abductor theory? Here's what the Jefferson County Sheriff said back in 2017: "Doolittle said, “We still have no solid leads.”"
He almost was indicating to this day, they still have not received any solid information about what happened. Wondering what everyone else thinks?
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 12, 2022 5:20:41 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I don't know any of these answers.
I will say sometimes law enforcement is purposely silent because everyone is a technical suspect until there's an arrest. The famous saying that they can't rule anyone out when they get asked, especially in a case like this.
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Post by Maddog on Apr 13, 2022 20:25:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I don't know any of these answers. I will say sometimes law enforcement is purposely silent because everyone is a technical suspect until there's an arrest. The famous saying that they can't rule anyone out when they get asked, especially in a case like this. That's true.
I was going to ask: do you think everything indicates an abduction at this point? I watched the UM episode featuring this case again, and also read another article that caught my attention:
1) There were 2,800 searchers/volunteers looking for her. I'm sure they would have found either her or some other clues with that amount of people looking for her if she was there.
2) They brought in the best search dog in the State of Montana (the dog had found 37 people alive). He locked onto her sent quickly, but eventually lost it not much later.
Point two convinces me someone took her away. If someone picked her up, that would explain why the dog lost the scent. There's also the fact that she was barefoot in a forested area as I mentioned in a previous post.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2022 6:16:30 GMT -5
It's possible but I can't entirely rule out Nyleen simply wandering off and dying from the elements. It is weird for the dog with a near-perfect track record to not pick up her scent, but I hate to put it in these terms, but even Michael Jordan would sometimes have off-days.
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Post by Maddog on Apr 14, 2022 17:53:55 GMT -5
It's possible but I can't entirely rule out Nyleen simply wandering off and dying from the elements. It is weird for the dog with a near-perfect track record to not pick up her scent, but I hate to put it in these terms, but even Michael Jordan would sometimes have off-days. Good point. I don’t think it would hurt for law enforcement to take a fresh look at this case. What I am curious about is the sketch of the jogger. Many sources I have read acknowledge that one exists, but I cannot find it. This is not the same sketch as the man and woman Nyleen’s Uncle saw. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2022 20:22:56 GMT -5
A sketch of the jogger would be helpful I agree. Could be a possible red herring but you never know.
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Post by Maddog on Apr 16, 2022 0:05:31 GMT -5
I just thought of a wild idea in this case. I was wondering if police still have the envelopes that the letters which were sent to Nyleen’s parents and Child Find were in. Even after so many years, there could be DNA from the seal of the envelope. Even if the offender is not in any databases as a felon, they could still do a DNA genealogy search. Even if they did so, and identified the person, and it turned out to be a hoax, the police would at least be able to focus more on other theories.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 16, 2022 7:04:24 GMT -5
I just thought of a wild idea in this case. I was wondering if police still have the envelopes that the letters which were sent to Nyleen’s parents and Child Find were in. Even after so many years, there could be DNA from the seal of the envelope. Even if the offender is not in any databases as a felon, they could still do a DNA genealogy search. Even if they did so, and identified the person, and it turned out to be a hoax, the police would at least be able to focus more on other theories. Perhaps they're doing it already, but not a bad idea if they haven't! |
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Post by Maddog on Apr 16, 2022 10:25:03 GMT -5
I just thought of a wild idea in this case. I was wondering if police still have the envelopes that the letters which were sent to Nyleen’s parents and Child Find were in. Even after so many years, there could be DNA from the seal of the envelope. Even if the offender is not in any databases as a felon, they could still do a DNA genealogy search. Even if they did so, and identified the person, and it turned out to be a hoax, the police would at least be able to focus more on other theories. Perhaps they're doing it already, but not a bad idea if they haven't! The problem I have with the abductor theory: I have read an article that Unsolved Mysteries did not get a lot of tips when the case aired (somewhere around 15 or so - although one led to the recovery of another missing child). Some of the information the abductor listed was almost too specific (for instance, he said that his sister was killed in a car wreck when she was nine, and his parents were killed in that same accident. Someone in Wisconsin or someone who lived outside of Wisconsin, assuming the accident didn’t take place in Wisconsin, would have likely recognized someone living in Wisconsin with that information). DNA tests on those envelopes could indeed flush out the person who sent them, and could put to rest whether he was the person who actually sent them or not. If he didn’t send them, I think it’s unlikely he is charged with a crime since the statute of limitations has likely run out since 1985 for any crimes in Montana or Wisconsin. However, if it is a hoax, the person deserves a public shaming. |
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