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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 25, 2021 18:09:34 GMT -5
I wanted to bring this topic up because it also applies to fugitive cases. How many years would you consider a case to be unsolved or for a suspect to be on the run before the case is considered a cold case. Remember that a case can only be considered a cold case after the initial investigative leads are exhausted and no arrest has occurred. The Houston Police Cold Case Unit for instance requires a case to be unsolved for at least three years before it can be considered a cold case. Why I'm bringing this up in regards to fugitive cases is that it seems like there may be an unintentional misconception of what is considered a "cold case fugitive". Fugitives such as Lester Eubanks, Larry Porter Chism and Glen Godwin are definitely cold case fugitives, no question. However, I would also argue currently that John Blauvelt, Jonathan Figueroa and Lenell Kirby (out of many other possible cases) for instance can also be considered to be "cold case fugitives" if we go by the Houston Police Cold Case Unit's criteria. All the initial leads on John Blauvelt's travel have been exhausted and there are no publicized possible sightings for Jonathan Figueroa and Lenell Kirby either. I just caution when it comes to wanting In Pursuit or other TV shows/media outlets to profile "cold case fugitives", we don't just suggest fugitives on the run for several decades. I'm not saying don't profile them at all, but just broaden the criteria of what is considered a "cold case fugitive". Curious if there were any other thoughts or opinions on this topic.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Nov 25, 2021 18:58:35 GMT -5
For Fugitives I used to think 6-10 years was considered a cold case, but now I think 11-15 years is the earliest I’d debate it in terms of considering what to call a case cold. 15 years and up is what I definitely consider cold.
The reason I’ve changed my personal definition of cold case in the last several years is because on the Top Ten List, a majority of the fugitives added since at least Yaser Said’s addition have been of fugitives who have on the run 6-7 years and IMO it’s not that long of a time tbh.
Also I consider a cold case based on the publicity given in a case, for example if there’s a lack of publicity in a case, then I’d consider it a cold case, for example Octaviano Juarez-Corro prior to his addition to the Top Ten List is what I considered a cold case, the lack of media attention and the fact that he was on the run for 15 years, but once he made the Top Ten List I no longer considered him as a cold case. Same thing Robert Fisher during his time on the Top Ten List I wouldn’t have considered him a cold case, because of its publicity and status on the Top Ten List, but now that he’s been removed from the Top Ten List, I consider him a cold case now.
Missing persons and unsolved murders are completely different, after 3-5 years, I’d be on the fence with starting to calling it a cold case, with the case being solidly cold IMO after 6-10 years.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Nov 25, 2021 21:22:29 GMT -5
For Fugitives I used to think 6-10 years was considered a cold case, but now I think 11-15 years is the earliest I’d debate it in terms of considering what to call a case cold. 15 years and up is what I definitely consider cold. The reason I’ve changed my personal definition of cold case in the last several years is because on the Top Ten List, a majority of the fugitives added since at least Yaser Said’s addition have been of fugitives who have on the run 6-7 years and IMO it’s not that long of a time tbh. Also I consider a cold case based on the publicity given in a case, for example if there’s a lack of publicity in a case, then I’d consider it a cold case, for example Octaviano Juarez-Corro prior to his addition to the Top Ten List is what I considered a cold case, the lack of media attention and the fact that he was on the run for 15 years, but once he made the Top Ten List I no longer considered him as a cold case. Same thing Robert Fisher during his time on the Top Ten List I wouldn’t have considered him a cold case, because of its publicity and status on the Top Ten List, but now that he’s been removed from the Top Ten List, I consider him a cold case now. Missing persons and unsolved murders are completely different, after 3-5 years, I’d be on the fence with starting to calling it a cold case, with the case being solidly cold IMO after 6-10 years. You make some extremely valid points. Anyone on the run for 10+ years can definitely be considered a cold case fugitive. Also a fugitive on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list is definitely being reviewed regularly by FBI agents.
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Post by Scumhunter on Nov 26, 2021 0:41:20 GMT -5
I remember watching a Cold Justice episode in like 2018 where they did a case from like 2013 and they explained that even though the case was "only" five years old, it was still a cold case because the leads had dried up.
And law enforcement has weird technical terms. For example, just two separate homicides now makes you a technical serial killer.
So yeah Figueroa and Kirby are technical cold cases but they're not that old either so it's a tricky situation. I guess you can maybe say cold case and colder case or recent cold cases and older cold cases. And now I probably made things even more confusing lol.
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