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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Aug 15, 2021 15:11:38 GMT -5
A very serious situation is going on in Afghanistan as the Taliban has taken the entire country including the capital Kabul, and the Presidential Palace in an alarmingly short amount of time. The former President of Afghanistan, Ashraf Ghani fled to neighboring Tajikistan as the Taliban closed in on Kabul. At the moment the U.S. and NATO Forces are evacuating their respective nationals from Afghanistan via Hamid Karzai (Kabul) International Airport. www.axios.com/taliban-presidential-palace-negotiate-transfer-of-power-9b6a0c8d-be49-4bd4-b52a-b74ded36be2b.html |
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 15, 2021 16:20:04 GMT -5
I know this sounds awful of me to say but as much as I feel for the people, the U.S. can't be world babysitters anymore, and this situation was inevitable no matter when we left. Iraq situation became a mess because we tried to establish a democracy there. If the Afghan government doesn't want to train their troops properly or fight the Taliban, I don't know how much can be done. It's sad for the people, but we can't stay there forever.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Aug 15, 2021 16:31:24 GMT -5
I agree with you on that one, a Taliban takeover was going to happen whether we left in 2005, 2012, 2021 or 2045.
Plus what in the world was the end goal? Osama Bin Laden has been dead for a decade and found in Pakistan, the Taliban while not excusing their awful political and human rights record, is a guerrilla army in their own country.
Also I really wish Bush, Cheney and all those guys in power in 2001 would’ve rewatched Rambo 3 (which came out in 1988 during the Soviet War in Afghanistan) before making this decision to do a ground invasion of Afghanistan tbh.
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 15, 2021 16:41:48 GMT -5
Right now the main thing for me is getting our troops out.
But yeah it is ironic to see Biden get criticized for the mess Bush created.
Perhaps there could have been a better exit strategy but who knows. If the U.S. had quietly withdrawn troops, they would have been criticized for quietly abandoning the Afghan people in a sneaky manner.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Aug 15, 2021 18:58:50 GMT -5
I know this sounds awful of me to say but as much as I feel for the people, the U.S. can't be world babysitters anymore, and this situation was inevitable no matter when we left. Iraq situation became a mess because we tried to establish a democracy there. If the Afghan government doesn't want to train their troops properly or fight the Taliban, I don't know how much can be done. It's sad for the people, but we can't stay there forever. Excuse me but... I have to concur. I do my best to avoid coming off as unpatriotic when I break away from the narrative spread on mainstream cable news, and I'd be very upset if the Taliban were to hurt any of our own countrypeople on our own home soil, but the nanoscopic likelihood of that doesn't justify a willy-nilly boots-on-the-ground approach, anything the US has done in west and southwest Asia since the 9-11-001 World Trade Tower plane bombing has only thrown those foreign crises out of the frying pan and into the fire, and on top of the tens of thousands of United Statish troops killed or wounded in action, a minimum 200,000 civilians in the Middle East have been documented as killed in the crossfire, especially in drone strikes. Worse, many political and media figures have been caught in video and audio clips across the past few years saying the quiet part out loud about likely corporate motives for United Statish intervention, particularly as it related to oil reserves found in Iraq, among many other countries, that US oil corporations like Chevron and weapons manufacturing firms like Halliburton wanted to strike it rich off of. If I sound like I'm advocating throwing in the towel on the Middle East, it's because the US has achieved so little over the past 2 decades, especially as it contrasts with what the Pentagon has exacerbated, not because I supposedly don't care about our national security. |
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 15, 2021 19:06:01 GMT -5
I know this sounds awful of me to say but as much as I feel for the people, the U.S. can't be world babysitters anymore, and this situation was inevitable no matter when we left. Iraq situation became a mess because we tried to establish a democracy there. If the Afghan government doesn't want to train their troops properly or fight the Taliban, I don't know how much can be done. It's sad for the people, but we can't stay there forever. Excuse me but... I have to concur. I do my best to avoid coming off as unpatriotic when I break away from the narrative spread on mainstream cable news, and I'd be very upset if the Taliban were to hurt any of our own countrypeople on our own home soil, but the nanoscopic likelihood of that doesn't justify a willy-nilly boots-on-the-ground approach, anything the US has done in west and southwest Asia since the 9-11-001 World Trade Tower plane bombing has only thrown those foreign crises out of the frying pan and into the fire, and on top of the tens of thousands of United Statish troops killed or wounded in action, a minimum 200,000 civilians in the Middle East have been documented as killed in the crossfire, especially in drone strikes. Worse, many political and media figures have been caught in video and audio clips across the past few years saying the quiet part out loud about likely corporate motives for United Statish intervention, particularly as it related to oil reserves found in Iraq, among many other countries, that US oil corporations like Chevron and weapons manufacturing firms like Halliburton wanted to strike it rich off of. If I sound like I'm advocating throwing in the towel on the Middle East, it's because the US has achieved so little over the past 2 decades, especially as it contrasts with what the Pentagon has exacerbated, not because I supposedly don't care about our national security. You actually hit the nail on the head even more eloquently than I could have put it. This is what frustrates me about cable news being called fake news and biased towards Democrats... if anything they try too hard to be fair and treat both sides scandals and failures the same... when it was one side that got us into this mess in the first place. But everything else you said is exactly on point. It's sad but true unfortunately. |
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