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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 10, 2016 11:12:48 GMT -5
This reminds me of a similar conversation I had with HeadMarshal about the catch-22 when you really want to catch someone, but feel the segment on the fugitive is not up to standard.
So yeah I have to admit Jose Miranda's profile was not AMW's most shining achievement, but then I also think to myself "let's put myself in the victim's shoes"- they'd probably appreciate all the nice things said about their loved one even though we are correct in saying it doesn't help solve the case and those minutes could have spent on clues- and they'd probably not care that we didn't like the segment- they just want Miranda caught.
Thankfully most of The Hunt profiles have been good but I do admit it is sometimes a struggle to be honest with my critiques while also taking into the account the victim's relatives, friends, etc... might be reading this forum and the main goal is to catch the fgitive.
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Post by pakman on Apr 11, 2016 8:55:46 GMT -5
I think what we need to be clear about is that we're criticizing the presentation, not anything connected with the victims.
Using Jose Miranda as an example, the concept of the story was really good; having his daughter tell his story with help from his son, his former coworkers, friends and investigators is a good way of speaking to the audience. The part where she breaks down in tears when talking about how she found her father's body is pure emotion. My problem with the story is that it dragged on and on and on. I saw this episode about a week ago during my conversion, and I just remember zoning out of it after awhile. They overdid his profile.
And Miranda had been profiled on an episode that already featured a two-segment case that was solved days before the episode aired (something that still makes me angry) and barely any other content. Heck, when I recorded this episode off its original airing, I actually left my room and let it record while I went to do something else (it was my senior year of college and I wanted to spend time with my friends before we all went our separate ways).
But I'll say this; I haven't yet converted Miranda's Lifetime profile to DVD, but I was looking over the tape doing my pre-recording check and even though I was fast-forwarding, the segment felt a lot shorter. And I seem to recall when I watched it on Lifetime I enjoyed it more. So apparently even somebody at AMW thought it went on too long.
Still, I don't think there's any excuse for the bizarre profiles of Woodlawn Jane Doe and "Bones," the latter of which did not need to be two segments. I know people complained about Princess Jane Doe's profile, but to me, that was a masterpiece compared to the previous two. At least with Princess they used a local historian to talk about her and create a profile of what she may have been like (which could be completely wrong, but it's better than ghostly narrations telling the detective to never give up).
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 11, 2016 17:41:15 GMT -5
So another topic not sure where it's fits. I was watching CNN's miniseries on the 80's- the episode in particular was about tv shows and cable during the 80's. They did a few minutes on the invention of Fox- and mention all their early show's- Cops, Married.. With Children, Tracey Ullman Show (where the Simpsons originally were a sketch on the show), 21 Jump Street, etc.. BUT they didn't mention America's Most Wanted! And this is a network that has now hired John Walsh! Shame on you CNN!
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Post by pakman on Apr 11, 2016 20:58:10 GMT -5
Or Fox is just that strict about who can use AMW's name. At this point nothing would surprise me anymore
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 11, 2016 21:04:05 GMT -5
Haha, I thought about that too.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Apr 11, 2016 23:38:46 GMT -5
Can someone describe what the Woodlawn Jane Doe and Princess Jane Doe profiles were about, and what made them sink the lowest among AMW's history? I don't remember them that well.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 12, 2016 7:08:40 GMT -5
They were both about like 1950's or 1960's deceased little girls whose cases were never solved, but I probably don't remember as well as pakman. Just that one was awful, and the other was bad but not as bad compared to the Woodlawn Jane Doe profile. I honestly just remember they were bad and cheesy, maybe I have purpose selective memory on this. LOL
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 14, 2016 20:24:20 GMT -5
Is anyone here familiar with the Elisa Lam case out of Los Angeles? It unfolded in January- February 2013 and it by far is one of the most bizarre unsolved cases out there especially since a very unsettling CCTV footage in an elevator of what is the last time she is seen alive. Elisa Lam was a Canadian college student visiting Los Angeles in January 2013, she stayed at the Cecil hotel which has had a very infamous past with serial killer residents, disappearances and more. Elisa Lam then checked in to that hotel in late January, and had decided to share a room with a family (you could share a room which is the hotels policy) which said that she seemed very odd and acting strange, which resulted in her being moved to her own room. Lam would be seen on CCTV footage which is very unsettling and creepy to tell you the honest truth, she is seen pushing a bunch of buttons, acting very erratically and the most scariest is the elevator not closing. In the footage it seems that she was either hiding from someone or was having a mental break down. This unsettling footage is the last time Elisa Lam is seen alive as she was found dead in the hotel's rooftop water tank 2 weeks later in Early February. The Coroner revealed that she WASN'T hit nor strangled and there were NO signs of drugs or alcohol in her system so the cause of death hasn't really been determined. Over the last 3 years numerous theories have emerged from Conspiracy Theories, coincidental connections, to the paranormal. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elisa_Lamyoutu.be/3TjVBpyTeZMAny thoughts on this case? I found this case was very high profile and found it on a Dark 5 video back in October
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2016 20:56:48 GMT -5
Weird. L.A. has sort of a reputation for haunted hotels- especially the Biltmore with the infamous Black Dahlia case and there's rumors she still roams the hallways.
It's a shame Elisa's remembered for the creepy manner of her death rather than the life she lived, but I do have to admit that case you described is very disturbing.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 14, 2016 20:58:22 GMT -5
The black dahlia also stayed at the Cecil hotel as well. and my apologies if it was too much Scumhunter.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2016 21:09:51 GMT -5
Haha no it's not too much. I mean personally these type of cases admittedly creep me out, but they're totally fine posting here. Anyway, I am changing the subject here (definitely changing the subject but this is the Daily Chit-Chat Thread though LOL), I'm watching the Democratic Debate on CNN (I watch both party's debates just so people don't assume I lean one way LOL), and Errol Louis is one of the moderators. He's a Daily News journalist who is also on the local New York cable channel New York 1. AMW fans may remember him appearing on the show trying to help solve the Chanel Petro-Nixon case. (Which unfortunately is still unsolved). Just saying it's really cool to see people we saw on AMW on the national stage.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 14, 2016 21:19:50 GMT -5
Same here and I watch both from an unbiased point of view since I'm a political junkie and choose not to be biased for anyone, and lately I've been fed up with politics lol, also that's interesting, I've watched AMW on and off from 2006 until it was cancelled in 2013 so I'm not familiar with some cases, but I'll look into the Chanel Petro-Nixon case. Btw when did you start watching AMW scumhunter?
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2016 21:32:01 GMT -5
It's only because I'm the admin that I feel it's inappropriate for me. I'd be a little more open about my politics if I wasn't LOL.
I watched AMW on off as a kid since probably 92,93 but I consider November 9th, 1996 my first "official" day as an AMW viewer- since I pretty much never missed an episode after that. (That was the first show after the first cancellation, I watched the "first" last ever episode disappointed since it seemed like a good show, but wasn't a regular viewer yet).
I joined AMW.com's message board sometimes in the mid-2000's as a lurker, and became a more regular poster in 2011-2012, the lone Lifetime season, which re-energized me LOL. I don't know if that counts as when I "officially" started sleuthing, but I created this message board in December of 2012 because the AMW message board crashed (or rather purposely was taken offline) right after their last Lifetime episode. I had no idea the show would be cancelled for good and thought this board would be a temporary solution until amw.com's boards came back. A year later after the cancellation, I was wondering if it was worth it to continue then an AMW-type situation happened in my family, not to mention all the family members affected by cases who comment on our site, and I realized how important this board was and decided to keep it.
Sorry for the long-winded answer (hey just like political debates at times LOL) but hopefully that somewhat explains it. I guess December of 2012 is when I became a "sleuth", but this site was really meant as a place to discuss AMW that sort of took on a life of it's own as somewhat of a sleuthing site as well.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Apr 14, 2016 21:42:40 GMT -5
Yeah I understand haha the long responses are always good . But wow your a veteran when it comes to these things... The FBI ten most wanted list pulled me into the subject during the Summer of 2005, on my way to second grade. I watched AMW as a 3rd grader in 2006, because I wanted to catch the bad guys and my parents sat down and didn't want me watching AMW so I decided to watch it in the Basement from time to time when I wasn't outside playing with friends, So basically I grew up with Fugitives like Alexis Flores and Jason Brown on the list. I also kept theory journals about AMW cases that I would watch, the Top Ten fugitives, missing persons. I first heard of Bishop on the 30th anniversary of the case by reading about him in a local magazine and the Washington post and since then I've been keeping tabs. AMW was a huge loss and with all of my theories in mind I decided to find any sleuthing sites and I came on here as a lurker beginning in Late 2013 and I decided earlier this year to finally join, and honestly this site is one of the most well organized and some very open minded members on here and it's been a great experience hands down.
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 14, 2016 21:45:58 GMT -5
Glad you finally joined to give your valuable contributions!
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