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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 9, 2016 17:48:54 GMT -5
(Above photo credit: Kansas Bureau of Investigation (KBI) website) From the Kansas Bureau of Investigation website: On August 15, 2003, at approximately 6:00am, store manager David "Ray" Ninemire, was finishing his work shift at the Westwood Apple Market, 4701 Mission Road, Westwood, Kansas, when a female employee was grabbed from behind by a male subject. The subject was described as about 5'5", thin build, wearing a top hat, fake beard pulled up high on his face, a black medium length coat and blank pants, displaying a handgun. Upon hearing the female employee scream, Ray ran to the front of the store to her aid where he encountered the armed subject. The subject began shooting towards Ray, who was struck in the right thigh area, severing the femoral artery. The subject then calmly walked towards the exit doors where he shot a customer entering the store. The killer was last seen walking east from the store along West 47th Street and then north on Lloyd Street into Kansas City, Ks. Anyone with information about the murder of David "Ray" Ninemire is asked to contact CrimeStoppers, Lt. Dan Brewster of the Westwood Police Department at 913-362-3737 or the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, at 1-800-KS-CRIME.www.accesskansas.org/kbi/mostwanted/mw_ninemire.shtmlThoughts? Ray's murder was featured on Amw.com as a web-exclusive case. (Unfortunately the archive link no longer works for it). Admin Note: If you have any news-related updates on this case, please contact us here: amwfans.com/thread/1662/website-contact-form
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Post by Scumhunter on Apr 8, 2018 5:48:13 GMT -5
The Kansas City Star wrote a new article on the search for Ray's killer back in July of 2017. It shoUld be mentioned if it hopefully jogs a potential reader with information's memory that the killer's aforementioned disguise black hat, a wig, a fake beard and a dark coat, is said to have made him look like an Amish man or "Abraham Lincoln." www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article160043464.html
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Post by zekcat on Aug 27, 2020 15:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 27, 2020 17:51:25 GMT -5
Bunch of great captures recently!
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Post by thecuriouscat on Aug 28, 2020 23:11:21 GMT -5
I was completely beside myself yesterday when the announcement was made that charges have finally been filed. I spoke with a friend of mine about the news at great lengths last night, and then decided to do a little bit more research for myself about Eugene Clayton Keltner. I reviewed his extensive criminal record both in Wyandotte and Johnson County, Kansas. Somehow, I stumbled upon a screenshot of a news screen showing a sketch of the suspect, along with a physical description of the suspect. I immediately became concerned when I looked at the sketch and Keltner's mugshot. There was one specific feature between the two pictures that didn't add up, the nose. The sketch pictured the nose as being long and thin. Keltner's mugshot shows a rather wide nose. I was torn on how to feel about this. At first I was thinking that could just be an honest mistake, I'm sure this all happened really fast for the witnesses, so they could have left out that detail. But now that I've found some other differences in the personal appearance of the suspects description and Keltner, I'm thinking that might not be the case. Now, as show in the above picture, the suspect's physical height is 5'5" with a thin build. That is where I found my next concern. I looked up Keltner on the Kansas Department of Corrections website and found that his documented height is 5'11" with a weight of 212 pounds. Here is a mugshot of Keltner, which I am going to assume is recent. Now, I know it's been 17 years since this murder took place, and physical features can change to a degree, so I did also find a mugshot on the Wyandotte County Inmate Search tool, which for whatever reason, I'm not able to post here. But you can find the pictures for yourself by visiting the following link, and searching his name. Wyandottee County Archived Booking InformationThis is the mugshot that the new stations are currently airing. This man, even back in the early 2000s, where the Wyandotte County Inmate records reports that he was weighing 185, I can't see where they could classify that this man was "thin". The only thing that I would say would match is the fact that they said the suspect had a dark complexion. I am really concerned that they might not have the right guy. I could however be completely wrong, or I could be completely right. The Johnson County District Attorney didn't release all that much information on how they were able to say that this was the guy. They just stated that the charges weren't based off of a tip, rather a fresh set of eyes on the case. I'm sure since there is to be a trial held, they probably aren't going to release too much information just yet. So that is why my mind has wandered. I just feel like these are legitimate concerns. Could they be trying to charge the wrong guy, while giving false closure/hope to the Ninemire family?
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 28, 2020 23:21:00 GMT -5
Hi thecuriouscat,
Welcome to the forum! I think these are excellent observations. One thing to keep in mind is that although it works both ways, witness descriptions are notoriously unreliable, memory fades over time or they went through such trauma their memory or thought process is damaged. In fairness, inaccurate witness descriptions are described as one of the main reasons for wrongful convictions, but it could work the other way where they overlook someone because of an inaccurate description and hence why it took 17 years to nab Keltner (if he is guilty) as well.
I haven't read much as to why Keltner was named as the suspect, so I do feel I would want to see what circumstantial (I'm assuming this will be a circumstantial case) evidence they have. So without reading as to WHY they named Keltner, it is a bit difficult.
I do hope if there is a trial, a jury will look at the facts and only convict if they don't have reasonable doubt, and I do hope we learn more details as to how they zeroed in on Keltner as a suspect soon as well.
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Post by thecuriouscat on Aug 28, 2020 23:33:54 GMT -5
I completely agree, everything that I have pointed out is just speculations. And now that you point out that if we always relied on witness descriptions, we would have a lot of wrongfully convicted people, as well as people who get aren't even being looked into.
Now, with this in mind, what if I told you that I am aware of another person who has been investigated for this exact crime, who in my opinion, better fits the witness's suspect description? I'm talking about a 5'7" man, weighing 120 pounds, which a much smaller shaped nose. Maybe I'm being biased, and want to believe what I want to believe, but I cannot seem to get this out of my head!
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Post by Scumhunter on Aug 28, 2020 23:45:57 GMT -5
Yeah no there's been some unsolved cases I've followed where I'm convinced it's a certain suspect only for it to turn out to be someone else and I'm happy for the arrest but in the back of my mind I'm like shocked they didn't arrest the person I thought it was.
It sounds like they have already investigated the guy you're thinking of, otherwise I'd advise you to contact authorities and/or D.A.'s Office just in case. I wish they would give more details so I don't have to speculate as to why they'd pick Keltner over him and I'm sure they had other suspects as well.
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Post by truthseeker11 on Jul 30, 2021 7:04:57 GMT -5
Yeah no there's been some unsolved cases I've followed where I'm convinced it's a certain suspect only for it to turn out to be someone else and I'm happy for the arrest but in the back of my mind I'm like shocked they didn't arrest the person I thought it was. It sounds like they have already investigated the guy you're thinking of, otherwise I'd advise you to contact authorities and/or D.A.'s Office just in case. I wish they would give more details so I don't have to speculate as to why they'd pick Keltner over him and I'm sure they had other suspects as well.
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Post by truthseeker11 on Jul 30, 2021 7:09:03 GMT -5
So much of this doesn't add up, saddest thing is to know the current suspect didn't do it. It's not just that a man who didn't do this is being charged but also that the victims family and friends are being giving fraudulent closure, and a killer runs free!
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Post by Scumhunter on Jul 30, 2021 8:04:50 GMT -5
I'm going to be honest- I don't know enough about why they charged Keltner- so I can neither agree nor disagree that they charged the wrong man- or I'm sorry as this sounds more like respectfully disagreeing but one thing to keep in mind is they've been sort of tight-lipped as to why they named Keltner- perhaps for investigative reasons- so I feel there is probably more damning evidence against Keltner out there that hasn't been released publicly- but I'm waiting for the trial if there is one and hopefully then the facts can come out- and if he's innocent, the jury will find him so. And then of course, if there is someone else, they can still nab him.
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