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Post by Scumhunter on May 11, 2016 16:59:31 GMT -5
Like I said before, and I know I sound like a broken record, but we can't automatically assume every guy the FBI adds is going to make the list. But this would count as a breaking news addition and there's a $10,000 reward already which are usually good indicators.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 11, 2016 17:21:18 GMT -5
This guy hasn't been "case of the week" yet.
Breaking news cases are more serious since you don't know what the suspect(s) will do.
What I've learned in the Tordil case is that a person should never approach a fugitive under any circumstances and there's a reason why they say that because you don't know if in fact this guy will take more lives.
If Tordil shot people with a handgun because he wanted to car jack them and had anger, then Dracy Pendleton can too with an even worse weapon.
Also the record timing of when they put him on the site is 3 days after the initial shooting, which means the FBI is dealing with a ongoing search, also explains the lack of information on the crime on his poster.
Now I believe I do say each murder suspect or Violent crimes suspect is a potential candidate for the list with the crimes against children fugitives likely, but Director Comey hasn't added one so far in his tenure (unless if Yaser Said counts as one), but I'm confident soon he'll break the barrier.
Now the stage is set for him to be added, you have a captured fugitive, a breaking news manhunt going along with this case and the fact that law enforcement benefit from the publics help with regards to this case.
Personally I don't know if this case should be taken serious but personally I'd stay on the safe side and name him to the list.
Do I think it will happen..... Well I'm divided as to it can happen if he isn't captured soon but it won't happen if he is taken into custody soon.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 11, 2016 17:26:02 GMT -5
I will admit he's more likely to make the list than the other cases added recently (sans Philip Policarpio).
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 11, 2016 17:29:13 GMT -5
I feel the same way too, now you said that it took the FBI a years to add Yaser Said and Juan Elias Garcia and I have to agree with you on that one since the FBI I predict will add him after Pendleton is caught or surrenders, but if not then they'll add Policarpio later on down the road if they feel he really needs to be brought in.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 13, 2016 21:47:52 GMT -5
Now we've all talked about accused murderers and crimes against children fugitives landing on the list, but what about kidnapping fugitives on the FBI site? Should they be considered contenders? I believe we haven't talked about their potential addition to the list and they would be good to make the list more diverse
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Post by Scumhunter on May 14, 2016 1:37:36 GMT -5
Well Adam Mayes was technically a kidnapping fugitive. Wanted for murder yes but also kidnapping.
I think the thing is most kidnapping cases on the FBI site are parental abductions. While I've been on my soapbox that those cases aren't taken seriously enough, the child may not always be in as much danger as if they were with a stranger abductor. (Obviously a case like Megan Everett where she was mentally ill and hanging out with white supremacists being an exception). And the list is supposed to include the most dangerous. It is messed up what the parent did, but most of the time the child is not in any immediate danger.
If it were a case where the fugitive was wanted for a crime in addition to kidnapping, rape, molestation etc... then it would make more sense. So kidnapping fugitives cases imo would have to have an additional crime they're charged with to make the list.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 14, 2016 9:00:59 GMT -5
There are a lot of kidnapping cases that have International Parental Kidnapping as a charge and others with the UFAP federal charge along with either Child Abduction, Parental Kidnapping, Taking Minor from Parent or Guardian, Interference with Child Custody, or Removal of Child from State.
Now these may not be non-violent crimes but I feel there needs to be more attention given to these especially for those that have taken their children overseas.
I agree that your potential top ten list parental kidnapping case would need to have an additional charge like say murder, child abuse or molestation.
Many of these cases on the site are either from say 2012 and earlier, so finding them won't be as easy or perhaps they may surrender once they are placed which would be a positive thing.
Parental Kidnapping cases are somewhat unique since they are with someone they know and aren't in any actual danger but also they broke the law by taking the child else where, but for those hiding overseas, well they are well beyond our reach and those are the cases that anger me a bit.
A parental kidnapping fugitive hiding in the U.S. Has a better chance of being discovered eventually than those hiding out in other countries.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 14, 2016 13:11:27 GMT -5
The three types of cases I feel are underrated (in no particular order) are parental kidnappings, white collar crimes, and DUI manslaughter/homicide cases.
White collar crimes because they destroy people's lives, DUI cases because even though the person wasn't "intentionally" killed, the culprit is a danger on the road as long as he/she is out there. Parental kidnappings are horrible because one parent unfairly denies the child the right to grow up with both of his/her parents and alienates them from their spouse/significant other. If the parent never harmed the child, then they have rights as well.
However at the same time, the FBI's never going to add a parental kidnapping case unless they feel the child is in immediate danger with so many other horrible cases to deal with. But what can happen is more publicity, most of the missing children AMW recovered were as a result of having a known abductor (including Elizabeth Smart although only Brian Mitchell's alias was known at the time).
True Crime: With Tamron Hall profiled the Vosseler children but it would be nice for some of the other cases to get attention well.
P.S. On the FBI site at least, a few of those cases it's known where the child is but the country won't extradite the parent and/or send the child back, so then a la Semion Mogilevich there's really nothing that can be done.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 14, 2016 13:24:52 GMT -5
Yeah I agree, it's nice actually having this explained as I revisited the additions to the 10 most wanted within the last 20 years and I know some white collar fugitives are hiding in countries that won't extradite in Eastern Europe and Russia where it's hard to extradite.
Now Another thing I want to bring up is the fact that director Comey hasn't yet added a crimes against children fugitive (unless Yaser Said counts). Almost every fugitive so far added during his tenure is an accused murderer or violent felon, which makes me wonder if he is into capturing more Murderers/violent offenders or if it's just the lack of recent CAC cases?
I must point out its been 3 years now since Walter Lee Williams was added to the 10 most wanted and that was Director Muellers last fugitive addition in the sequence.
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Post by Scumhunter on May 14, 2016 13:41:19 GMT -5
I think the list had tended to lean towards the more violent fugitives in recent years. However, he's only been director for 3 years which if you think about is a relatively short amount of time. The list evolves and I'm sure Crimes Against Children fugitives will always be candidates.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 14, 2016 13:52:04 GMT -5
Yes perhaps once the director has a few more years under his belt he'll add some crimes against children fugitives. Now the current list I feel that perhaps both the US and Cuban governments are having some sort of talks and are trying to bring Gerena back to the states I'm hoping. The olympics in Brazil this summer get me excited for a potential Publicity campaign to finally bring in Glen Godwin, the reason I have that feeling is that they didn't rotate the fugitives around but moved Godwin to the top  So I wonder if the FBI has gotten some big leads or just want to put his face out there. Also this summer Robert Fisher will be aired on the hunt and I feel confident he will finally go down once and for all. But the interesting thing about the current list is that most of the fugitives have been on longer than your average statistical fugitive which is about 1-5 years, so I feel the list in some days is a crapshoot but in some days like today I feel we'll see some captures of a few long timers. |
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 15, 2016 23:45:22 GMT -5
Has anyone made a thread on CAC fugitive John J. Hartin? I was reading into this case and I'll be honest he's my wild card for the list, this guy can be tracked down successfully since that age enhanced photograph can flush him out with potential new friends he may have. I feel a replay of Edward Harper could occur with this fugitive, since they seemed to revive the case about 4 years ago and there hasn't been anything yet. Now he may be hiding out in California and Florida, and also since I travel a lot to the sunshine state I keep my eyes peeled for any fugitives that may be down there. www.fbi.gov/wanted/cac/john-j.-hartin/view |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 15, 2016 23:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on May 15, 2016 23:56:47 GMT -5
Oh okay thanks for that Scumhunter  ?. Appreciate it thanks for the tip. |
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Post by Scumhunter on May 16, 2016 2:35:55 GMT -5
What's with the question mark? LOL. But anyway I'm glad you found the thread and if Edward Harper can be added anything is possible I guess.  |
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?. Appreciate it thanks for the tip.