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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Feb 9, 2020 19:07:26 GMT -5
Well, In Pursuit and the U.S. Marshals list seem to coincide with each other so we'll see about the FBI since it's a new show. I know they're showing three FBI top tenners this season, but it does seem like In Pursuit is more of a U.S. Marshals show. So because of that, I think we can't really predict who makes the FBI list or is a candidate based off In Pursuit, while with the Marshals we sort of can. (For the most part, the Marshals cases coincide so we could assume if the cases from season 1 and 2 were to be on the list, they'd be added already (for the time being), while with the FBI list who the heck knows). As for Bruce Sawhill, I dunno, I feel like Katie's father has been through enough, he's been interviewed on AMW and The Hunt now and has had to express his guilt (even though he has nothing to feel guilty about, it's all on Bruce Sawhill, but he expressed feeling like he was at fault) too many times already. Plus both times the story aired there were a-hole social media comments asking Katie's father why didn't kill Bruce Sawhill when he confronted him. (Maybe because he would have went to jail, duh!). Maybe if they interview someone close to Katie besides him they can air the case again, but I can't imagine Katie's father wanting to go through such torture again. Based on all this, would Elby Hars be a good choice instead? He is one of John Walsh’s AMW Dirty dozen still at large.
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 9, 2020 19:09:59 GMT -5
Based on that yeah.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Feb 18, 2020 20:51:57 GMT -5
Has anyone ever wondered what the list would’ve looked like if it has started 10 years earlier, and who would’ve been on it? Would the worst mass murderer in history, Adolf Hitler, have been added to the Top Ten List if the List was established in 1940 instead of 1950?
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Post by 912thamwuser on Feb 18, 2020 23:09:21 GMT -5
Perhaps Adolf Eichmann, who went on the run just as the outside world was made aware of Hitler's role atop the Nazi Empire. Because by the time the war was over and the world started to calculate the death and destruction, Hitler was already in the grave. But some of his officers, including Eichmann, fled abroad, so at the very least, the FBI could've argued that those officers were harder to catch without the publicity.
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Post by vigilanti on Feb 19, 2020 11:21:44 GMT -5
As far as I am aware, the FBI Ten Most Wanted list is reserved for individuals whom have been charged with a crime by a US jurisdiction. As far as Hitler is concerned, it would be odd to see a sitting head-of-state on the FBI's list, and publicity would in all likelihood not have aided in his apprehension as he was technically not a fugitive but known to be in Berlin most of the time.
Adolf Eichmann and Josef Mengele may have been good candidates had they been charged with a crime by a US jurisdiction, but I am not aware of them ever having been so. The Israeli investigative authority, the Mossad, was primarily responsible for the search for Nazi fugitives.
Extrapolating this to modern times, Felicien Kabuga (Rwanda genocide financier) may be considered if he were charged with a crime by a US jurisdiction, but I do not believe he has been (feel free to correct me if I am mistaken). I have thought about whether there should be a global ten/fifteen/twenty "most wanted" list including some of the most elusive and/or serious fugitives from countries throughout the world - Forbes magazine published an international most wanted list a few years ago including Kabuga and Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, but I think it was last published in 2011 and is not an official law enforcement most wanted list.
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Post by Maddog on Feb 25, 2020 7:49:30 GMT -5
As far as I am aware, the FBI Ten Most Wanted list is reserved for individuals whom have been charged with a crime by a US jurisdiction. As far as Hitler is concerned, it would be odd to see a sitting head-of-state on the FBI's list, and publicity would in all likelihood not have aided in his apprehension as he was technically not a fugitive but known to be in Berlin most of the time.
Adolf Eichmann and Josef Mengele may have been good candidates had they been charged with a crime by a US jurisdiction, but I am not aware of them ever having been so. The Israeli investigative authority, the Mossad, was primarily responsible for the search for Nazi fugitives.
Extrapolating this to modern times, Felicien Kabuga (Rwanda genocide financier) may be considered if he were charged with a crime by a US jurisdiction, but I do not believe he has been (feel free to correct me if I am mistaken). I have thought about whether there should be a global ten/fifteen/twenty "most wanted" list including some of the most elusive and/or serious fugitives from countries throughout the world - Forbes magazine published an international most wanted list a few years ago including Kabuga and Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, but I think it was last published in 2011 and is not an official law enforcement most wanted list. I think El Chapo wasn’t added, though, because of the large amount of publicity he received from other sources.
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Post by vigilanti on Feb 25, 2020 19:21:26 GMT -5
Yes, I believe the reason El Chapo was not added to the FBI’s most wanted list is that he was already on other agencies’ most wanted lists, specifically the DEA’s most wanted list.
Regarding the fugitive Nazis, if the FBI had issued charges in the 1940s and if the FBI’s most wanted list had been around then, perhaps Adolf Eichmann would have been on the list until his capture in the early 1960s, and then Josef Mengele thereafter. Of course, this is mere speculation conditional upon USA authorities becoming serious about the search for World War II fugitives at that point. I think Mengele would have been captured if he had lived into the 1980s, as by that point international agencies including those of the USA became involved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 2:15:34 GMT -5
Today is the first anniversary of the last capture from the list -LaMont Stephenson - being arrested.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 7, 2020 20:25:12 GMT -5
Today is the first anniversary of the last capture from the list -LaMont Stephenson - being arrested. I think now it’s time to replace one of the fugitives we’ve talked about removing and adding someone recent (Jorge Rico-Ruvira) to the list in order to finally give a more recent and dangerous case a chance.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 8, 2020 0:20:16 GMT -5
I honestly feel ok with the list right now. As I said before I think we got some unrealistic expectations because during the Comey era they had been adding relatively easy grabs and more recent cases, while not a criticism but lately the cases added haven't been as recent. Even Alex Castillo was added a year or so later.
I think a general rule should be if we go two years without a capture, then we need a replacement, but I'm fine with one year. It's important to remember the victims in the cases and try to not give up on them for as long as realistically possible.
Does anyone remember how long the most recent drought between captures (before this one) was?
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 8, 2020 0:20:58 GMT -5
Or I should say what was the most recent drought that went past one year?
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 8, 2020 0:25:39 GMT -5
Well there was a capture drought from October 2009 when Jorge Alberto Lopez Orozco was captured until May 2011 when Osama Bin Laden was killed.
Then there was a gap from October 2004 Chaunson McKibbins was captured before his formal addition the following month, until Michael Paul Astorga was added and captured in April 2006. Jorge Alberto Lopez Orozco was added in March 2005 during that no capture year.
The first gap without a capture was when Robert Michael Alllen was found dead in California in December 1992 and then it wasn’t until Patrick Michael Mitchell was captured in February 1994 that gap year ended.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 8, 2020 0:26:39 GMT -5
Also at least the list currently is a genuine challenge and not a crap shoot like it was about 5 years ago.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 8, 2020 0:32:54 GMT -5
Yeah I think that's what I was thinking of was I could swear there was a year or so drought sometime during this decade right before they finally removed Glen Godwin, Semion Mogilevich and Victor Gerena. Or maybe it was a cold case drought and Fidel Urbina broke that and that's why I'm confused as to why I thought there was en even more recent drought.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Mar 8, 2020 0:34:22 GMT -5
Yeah I think that's what I was thinking of was I could swear there was a year or so drought sometime during this decade right before they finally removed Glen Godwin, Semion Mogilevich and Victor Gerena. Or maybe it was a cold case drought and Fidel Urbina broke that and that's why I'm confused as to why I thought there was en even more recent drought. Well currently we do have a drought and yes the most recent one is from October 2014 when they captured Eric Frein and it wasn’t until January 2016 when they captured Myloh Mason.
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