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Post by King Of Clubs on Mar 15, 2015 9:32:00 GMT -5
Who do you guys think are the current best Ten Most Wanted additions and why? (select 2)
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 15, 2015 9:43:54 GMT -5
They're all bad and they all deserve to be on the list, but Yaser Said, that's a given. Also, a lot of times, the list is not about necessarily who's the worst, but also who's the worst that would be recognized by the public. That's why we didn't know it at the time but Eric Toth was an excellent addition. The FBI said they added him specifically because he had distinctive features, such as a mole and the fact he was 6'3, the public would notice. So while he might not have been "statistically" worse than a serial killer (I hate even saying that because all fugitives are bad and I don't want us to start talking about who is worse than who, they all need to get caught), he was in fact caught thanks to public tips.
But I am biased towards guys who get caught since obviously that proves it was a good addition. Then there's also additions like Juan Elias-Garcia, Jose Guevara, and Edwin Gracias, all of him surrendered surrendered soon after they added. Those were obviously good additions since if it wasn't for the FBI pressure, they would have never turned themselves in.
Also good additions are guys like Eric Rosser who needed world wide publicity in order to catch him in a place like Thailand.
Anyway, while who is the worst of the worst makes a good addition, the other two factors that to me that make good additions are- would the public recognize them easier than other fugitives- such as tell-tell scars tattoos, or other distinctive features? and is this a fugitive that could be overseas and needs international publicity to widen the net to catch him, not just national?
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 15, 2015 9:45:02 GMT -5
I made my response before I saw the poll LOL. But yeah that's my feeling on the types of guys who make good additions. But I voted Yaser Said as my favorite addition of the ones on the list.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Mar 15, 2015 9:51:01 GMT -5
I voted for Fidel Urbina since the FBI reignited the cold case manhunt and with all the "research/speculation" I've done about the case, who knows how much I'm actually right on.
But I would have added all these fugitives shortly after they went on the run, except for Semion Mogilveich.
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Post by 912thamwuser on Mar 15, 2015 12:48:15 GMT -5
I voted for Alexis Flores. Of all the known fugitives wanted for sexual murder who were introduced on AMW in the New Millennium, Flores had among the youngest victims. Wherever he is, especially in a place like Honduras where law enforcement isn't nearly as strong as America's, he's probably kidnapping and sexually murdering more kindergarten girls every few days. I still hold out dread that, perhaps, when Flores is found out, he'd soon get linked to hundreds of sexual murders of children.
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Post by theczar on Mar 15, 2015 18:42:57 GMT -5
My vote's for Jason Derek Brown. I feel he's the perfect addition since he's probably the one who'd be the most likely to be captured, and yet he's still on the run after 10 years. They've had a lot of leads on him, and who knows if they'd even get that far if he wasn't on the list.
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Post by HeadMarshal on Mar 20, 2015 15:53:00 GMT -5
I voted for Alexis Flores. Of all the known fugitives wanted for sexual murder who were introduced on AMW in the New Millennium, Flores had among the youngest victims. Wherever he is, especially in a place like Honduras where law enforcement isn't nearly as strong as America's, he's probably kidnapping and sexually murdering more kindergarten girls every few days. I still hold out dread that, perhaps, when Flores is found out, he'd soon get linked to hundreds of sexual murders of children. I just wanted to say that after thinking about it for a bit, I did change my vote to Alexis Flores. The only reason I did was if for example Pedro Alonso Lopez could get away with sexually murdering approximately 300 young girls in South America before being located then imagine what Flores's victim total could be by now. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_López_(serial_killer)Edit: Okay perhaps Colombian serial killer Luis Garavito's record of 147 confirmed sexual homicides of young boys and an estimate of likely 300-400 victims is a better example on this matter. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito
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Post by vigilanti on Mar 22, 2015 17:24:06 GMT -5
Anyone but Semion Mogilevich, but I'm personally the happiest with the addition of Yaser Said, albeit nearly 7 years after his alleged crime and start of his time on the lam. I don't understand why Brad Bishop was added almost 40 years ex post facto, but then again I'm not in law enforcement and perhaps the FBI has reasons of which I am unaware. Either way, he's still at large as far as we know and in my humble opinion he should have been added back in the '70s.
A note about my username: I intend it to be pronounced "vigilant eye," not like "vigilante." I absolutely do not endorse vigilantism due to the potential for terrible mistakes to result. Approximately five years ago, I posted on the AMW forum under the handle "Vigilantos." It's good to be back, but in the intervening years I always kept a vigilant eye open for fugitives while trying not to be paranoid :-)
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 22, 2015 17:35:56 GMT -5
Hi Vigilanti, welcome to the forum and it's always great to see another former AMW forum member! And I agree, vigilantism is not the way to go. I always stress if anyone sees a fugitive, call the police, you're not Batman! Welcome back to a tv-crime themed forum!
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Post by 912thamwuser on Mar 22, 2015 17:41:27 GMT -5
Anyone but Semion Mogilevich, but I'm personally the happiest with the addition of Yaser Said, albeit nearly 7 years after his alleged crime and start of his time on the lam. I don't understand why Brad Bishop was added almost 40 years ex post facto, but then again I'm not in law enforcement and perhaps the FBI has reasons of which I am unaware. Either way, he's still at large as far as we know and in my humble opinion he should have been added back in the '70s. A note about my username: I intend it to be pronounced "vigilant eye," not like "vigilante." I absolutely do not endorse vigilantism due to the potential for terrible mistakes to result. Approximately five years ago, I posted on the AMW forum under the handle "Vigilantos." It's good to be back, but in the intervening years I always kept a vigilant eye open for fugitives while trying not to be paranoid :-) Ah, an old timer! Great to have you back, Vigilantos! Speaking of portmanteaus of vigilant and eye, Vigilantos could be interpreted as a portmanteau of "Vigilant" and the Spanish word for eyes, "ojos". If you knew about the popularity of forum posters making our own year-end most wanted AMW fugitives lists, you might be interested in our Forum-Exclusive Fugitives (2010 to present). The 2013 and 2014 Forum Members' Most Wanted Contenders List threads may be buried, but discussion of our post-AMW introductions of 2015's cases is underway, and I for one would encourage you to give it a look! After Jose Luis "Smiley, Peanut" Saenz was captured, Yaser Abdel Said took his place as my Public Enemy #1. I put Said as the 2nd best addition behind Alexis Flores for one disturbing reason. Most people believe Abdel-Said murdered his daughters to prevent them from breaking free of his controlling customs, but I think the real motive might be a lot sicker: As the lead detective on the case has documented since last year, Abdel-Said most likely molested his daughters when they were younger. I've speculated that, by New Year's 2 008, he knew detectives were on to him, and he killed his daughters both to prevent them from coming forward and to buy himself some extra time to flee the sexual assault allegations. Abdel-Said's at the top of my bad list, because if he's molested any other children, I fear he might kill them next to prevent them from blowing the whistle.
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Post by vigilanti on Mar 22, 2015 18:58:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the recommendation of the Forum Members' Most Wanted...I've been lurking around this forum for a while, but I really need to brush up on my 2015 fugitives. On the Vigilantos note, I now remember the word "ojos" from high school Spanish, which I've largely forgotten.
Also, thanks for the warm welcome back Scumhunter. As far as the Ten Most Wanted list is concerned, I'm eagerly awaiting the next capture/case resolution, hopefully soon, both so another fugitive on the list can hopefully face justice and so a spot will open for Alex Hill...
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Post by HeadMarshal on Mar 22, 2015 19:22:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the recommendation of the Forum Members' Most Wanted...I've been lurking around this forum for a while, but I really need to brush up on my 2015 fugitives. On the Vigilantos note, I now remember the word "ojos" from high school Spanish, which I've largely forgotten. Also, thanks for the warm welcome back Scumhunter. As far as the Ten Most Wanted list is concerned, I'm eagerly awaiting the next capture/case resolution, hopefully soon, both so another fugitive on the list can hopefully face justice and so a spot will open for Alex Hill... Welcome back to an amw themed community Vigilanti! I was PlatinumSkye from the old forum but feel free to call me either HeadMarshal or Derek now.
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Post by Scumhunter on Mar 22, 2015 19:23:24 GMT -5
I was kingroman on the old forum. LOL J/K Seriously, I was getthebadguy but only posted a few times then when AMW was saved by Lifetime and in my opinion became a better show it got my energy back and I started frequently posting under fishemout
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Feb 18, 2016 10:32:51 GMT -5
I'm feeling confident Patel will be the next addition and IMO he should be the best addition if it indeed does happen as we've discussed this on the other thread of course, but if you noticed how long it took to replace Juan Elias Garica with Brad Bishop, it simply took them 2 weeks. Replacing Jose Guevara with Eric Frein took a month and a half and finally replacing Frein with Yaser Said was little over a month so the FBI could name the 506th fugitive whoever that is either sometime this week or sometime in March but notice that it's always on a Thursday that fugitives get added.
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Post by Scumhunter on Feb 18, 2016 10:41:07 GMT -5
The FBI took about a year to replace Osama Bin Laden with Eric Toth. They have been much better at not wasting as much time with the new director. But who knows. Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason. Mason was breaking news. Usually what happens from what I've read is all the field agencies from the FBI's Field Offices across the 50 States and the U.S. territories submit candidates and they choose from that list. Sometimes that process could take a very long time. But lately they've been very good and I've been happy with that.
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