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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 13, 2016 14:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by 912thamwuser on Dec 13, 2016 15:01:54 GMT -5
The higher ranks of my Most Wanted AMW Fugitives of '010 list had some nasty cases, and this is one of those replacing another one (Fidel "Tonorio" Urbina). Hopefully it'll be quicker than even Jose Manuel Garcia Guevara (Most Wanted of '013) when VanWisse gets caught since today's addition to the list.
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Post by eal22 on Dec 13, 2016 17:03:40 GMT -5
Glad to see this guy on the list. I wonder if he is has stayed on the run this long only due to a lack of publicity or because he is really good at hiding? Capture could be a long-shot if it is the latter.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 13, 2016 17:18:58 GMT -5
I'm gonna say that capture is possible since a lot of tips have come in recently and also now I'm thinking this is a great addition, (Also he's still on the murders section of the site) Given that he is the second man with the name Robert on the current list . I have to say I pointed this out on a previous thread, longtime fugitives that were young at the time of their crimes will eventually get caught and that's where this is going with Van Wisse. I am hopeful that he will be caught and hopefully he surrenders upon having a lot of heat on him, but he makes a good The Hunt case for 2017 or 2018.
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Post by eal22 on Dec 13, 2016 18:08:35 GMT -5
What leads to young offenders being caught more easily as long-time fugitives? Carelessness as they feel their crime was a lifetime ago and they will never be caught?
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 13, 2016 19:07:29 GMT -5
Well the fact that they aren't up in age like 80 or 90 is the plus side they're likely middle aged or young adults. Also since this case is now on the spotlight, it gives it more publicity that it hasn't gotten in 33 years which is a positive thing in this case.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 13, 2016 19:25:14 GMT -5
I don't know about fugitives who were young as opposed to old but as I stated in the overall FBI discussion thread this case is a bit different from the Bishop case in that they've specifically narrowed down places he may be due to recent information (specifically Guadalajara region of Mexico where he has familial ties) as opposed to Bishop who could be anywhere or dead. Van Wisse is a cold case that besides a more recent photo isn't as cold as it may seem on the surface.
Since they caught Fidel Urbina, who had been on the run for 17 years, I also stated I have no problem with the FBI taking a chance on a cold case fugitive here- not just because we have a friend here on our forum connected to the case- but because they had a cold case spot open, and Laurie Stout really deserves justice.
They really do seem to think that this increased publicity will help to capture Van Wisse.
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Post by eal22 on Dec 13, 2016 22:24:26 GMT -5
Hopefully someone in his family folds, they clearly know where he is and will now be feeling the pressure. This publicity might lead to them or Van Wisse himself doing something rash or stupid that leads to his capture.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 13, 2016 22:26:06 GMT -5
Especially with that $100,000 reward, you'd wonder which one of Van Wisse's family members is going to crack as a result of temptation. 😊
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Post by pakman on Dec 14, 2016 13:13:50 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't investigators not actually link Van Wisse to the crime until awhile after it happened? I haven't seen his AMW case in ages, but I seem to recall that being a part of the case; he was a suspect but they didn't link him to the murder until some time later.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 14, 2016 13:14:51 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't investigators not actually link Van Wisse to the crime until awhile after it happened? I haven't seen his AMW case in ages, but I seem to recall that being a part of the case; he was a suspect but they didn't link him to the murder until some time later. It wasn't until 1996 that they charged him with the murder. In 1997 they issued a federal warrant. Initially they didn't have enough to connect him to the crime, but he was a person of interest or suspect. So technically they charged him with murder 13 years after the crime.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 14, 2016 19:16:11 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't investigators not actually link Van Wisse to the crime until awhile after it happened? I haven't seen his AMW case in ages, but I seem to recall that being a part of the case; he was a suspect but they didn't link him to the murder until some time later. It says it in the OP that they took prints of everyone in Laurie's building back in 1983, they took his prints DNA, and DNA tests ruled him out. He really wasn't a person of interest anymore after that until 1992 when new and more advanced DNA tests revealed he could be Laurie's murderer after all. Then in 96 was was when he was formally charged and 1997 when he was federally charged after it was apparent he had went on the run. Usually I put the warrant date on the thread title, but 1983 is when the crime occurred that so I wanted to stress the actual crime occurred much earlier. But when you think about it he's technically been on the run for only 20 years (although it seems no one's really heard much of a peep out of him since 1983) which increases the odds of catching him vs. Bishop who was on the run for 40 when the FBI added him.
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Post by danwind on Dec 14, 2016 21:53:14 GMT -5
Great addition to the list, I hoped this Scum will get caught soon, I think it's time to bring him in and make him to face the punishment what he had did.
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Post by тσρтєиhυитєя on Dec 14, 2016 23:20:24 GMT -5
Robert Van Wisse is probably feeling the heat after a day or so on the list. However he's significantly younger than Bishop, therefore apprehending him isn't impossible. Also I must add that if things got a little too hot while in the states or in Mexico, do you think he went to Guatemala? Personally I don't think he would have been there before 1996 because of a brutal civil war occurring in the country at the time, so my guess is that he fled there sometime after the dust settled in 96 or crosses back and forth from Mexico to Guatemala. Here's a Wikipedia page about the civil war for those that are curious or into history. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_Civil_War
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 15, 2016 1:12:02 GMT -5
Interesting point about the Guatemalan civil war. It is possible he didn't flee there until after 96 based on that or maybe he took his chances anyway.
This probably won't be one of those captures we see happen in a day like with breaking news additions, but as the leads and information develops, hopefully we can see him captured within the next year or at least the next few years
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