Was it determined that Ray Sanchez even stole Nora's meth in the first place? She's probably in Mexico.
Part of the reason for posting her this week (besides figuring we could add a few more female fugitives), is that no, according to everything I read, it seems just what SHE believed. To stab a man 80 times without proof is beyond excessive. Of course, to stab anyone 80 times, with or without proof, is still excessive. Blindly believing and allegedly committing this crime makes it even worse.
This can draw comparisons to the Luis Perez/Jose Gomez case in that aspect. As seen above, There is a Facebook page dedicated to getting justice for Raymond Sanchez, and lots of people seemed to love him. While everyone has secrets, the accusation doesn't match up with someone who was a beloved family man, and at the end of the day, he's the victim, not Sandoval (I know you were just asking if the accusation was baseless or not and not saying you didn't know that).
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Post by lilliflower on Apr 1, 2014 22:59:55 GMT -5
Nora Sandoval plead guilty Friday on a plea bargain for my husbands murder. She plead to 2nd murder and received the max for when the crime was committed. 22 years. She was also sentenced for her drug cases that she had already been convicted of. For the drugs she was sentenced to 31 years. None of that is enough to bring my husband back. Maybe if I'm not the only one mentioning it, it will be looked into. Kiera Wolf was murdered in the same manner as my husband in 2004 in bullhead city. 3 people were convicted but Nora masterminded that one as well,(so I'm told) What do u guys think?
Welcome to the forum lilliflower, although I'm sorry you're here under such tragic circumstances and I'm sorry for your loss. When AMW was on the air and a murderer would get captured as happy as I was to see it, it was still sad since it doesn't bring the person they killed back to their friends and family. At least Nora Sandoval will not be doing this to anyone else for at least 31 years but I completely agree it isn't enough.
I had no idea there was another murder Nora Sandoval was thought to have possibly plotted and I will have to look into that one. Perhaps if enough people speak up she can be tried in that case as well.
This woman was and is clearly a danger and a menace to society and thus I wouldn't put anything past her.
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In response to the questions posted. No Raymond did not steal the drugs he was accused of. A "friend" of raymonds did admit to stealing them after the fact. Raymond and I had been split up in 2010 and he was with Nora for 3 months. When I let him come home he dropped her like a bad habit. We had been together for 13 years. Nora was suicidal over all of it and 8 months later this was the result. He was very loved. Me and my sons are lost without him. There are more people involved. But no evidence and everyone is scared to speak up. I have two fb pages for him. "In loving memory of Raymond Sanchez" and "help get justice for Raymond Sanchez" and these pages are what urged the tipster to report a witness in June 2013 about chase Salveson being involved.
Post by lilliflower on Nov 11, 2015 7:42:02 GMT -5
Hey amwfans. Here's a little update on the cases regarding my husbands murder. last month a Mohave county jury found Chase Salveson not guilty of 1st degree murder and hung on the conspiracy charge. Both charges carry a punishment of life. Now we re-trial. However, the DA, (who is a substitute for our beloved new mommy Megan), offered Salveson a plea deal. The judge has not denied nor accepted the deal. It will have Salveson pleading guilty to a lesser charge of "concealment/ abandonment of a dead body" Class 5 Felony... The best part is it only carries a penalty of 3 years prison time. he has already been in custody for over 2 years. I have lost all faith in the American Judicial System
I'm so sorry for the bad news. Everyone likes to point out when someone is found not guilty that in the eyes of the law they're innocent- and while that's technically true- what people also fail to realize is not guilty just means the Prosecution didn't prove their case. Yeah, maybe some juries actually believe someone is innocent but not guilty often just means the jury felt a case wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt. For example, I think after the Casey Anthony jury painfully decided not guilty- a lot of jurors afterwards said something to the effect of they felt she was likely at fault but also felt the Prosecution didn't prove the case. In other words, they felt she did it but had no choice based on the evidence but to acquit.
So I wasn't at the trial to judge- so whether it's the Prosecution was terrible or the jury didn't do their jobs or whatever I'm so sorry for the end result.
We have a woman who got more time for drugs than for actually killing someone, and now a guy believed involved by his victim's family found not guilty and getting very little time as a result.
I always say though that karma always gets people in the end, as we saw with O.J. Simpson after he was found not guilty.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 16, 2015 12:40:17 GMT -5
I was waiting to see if she'd post or not but Chase's mother registered for an account on this forum and mentioned she believes in her son's innocence. I want to stress I'm not taking sides here- except for the fact that Nora has been proven guilty- and I sympathize with Liliflower over her frustrations over the overall case and over what she believes is justice not getting done- and will let the court system play out what happens with Chase. I'm also just stating not guilty often just means the Prosecution didn't prove their case, not that the Defendant is actually believed innocent by the jury. I'm not stating whether or not that's the case with the Chase. I didn't watch the trial to judge. This thread was meant to be an information thread about the fugitive search for Nora Sandoval, but seeing there was another trial involved, anyone who wants to comment about the Chase aspect as well can. Anyone who believes he's innocent or guilty is more than welcome to post here as long as no member here is personally attacked and no victim is slandered.
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Post by Scumhunter on Dec 16, 2015 18:51:13 GMT -5
Alright, I approved the registration on the ground the victim wasn't slandered. And now that I re-read and think I fully understand the reply it was hearsay about the real reason Nora was upset with Raymond (a reason besides drugs). As a result, I had to ban. Regardless of what's said in court, or if anything is "heard", if nothing is officially released to the public, it counts as hearsay. I did give free speech a chance here. Yet after I say "as long as the victim isn't slandered" something's said about the victim.
All I can say is if Chase did this I hope he's found guilty in the conspiracy trial (I think I read it's going to trial after all), and if he didn't do this then I hope he's cleared.
I sympathize with both families who are in a terrible situation and I truly believe Chase's mom thinks he is innocent.
But posting hearsay about Raymond (I apologize if I misread it but that's what I read it as an accusation about Raymond), was not the way to go about things.
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