Post by pakman on Feb 12, 2015 13:12:09 GMT -5
As we all know, from 2000-2010, John Walsh would release his list of the 10 Fugitives from that Year still at large that he wanted caught the most. It became an annual tradition, and one that all AMW fans looked forward to. Sometimes we all agreed with John (I don't think one person disagreed with his decision to name Yaser Said his #1 fugitive of 2008) while other choices left us scratching our heads (Manuel Penaloza at #1 was just plain baffling). Many of us created our own Top 10 lists of our own most wanted fugitives.
But I've decided to do something a little different - using only the fugitives on John Walsh's Most Wanted Lists, how would you have organized them? The only requirement to this is that you can't remove or add any other fugitives; you have to use the cases he put on his personal list, but put them in the order you would have.
Here's what I've got (note that I'm only doing 2002-2010 since those are the only lists I've seen).
2002:
#10 - Guillermo Del Prado (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#9 - Dimitrios Androutsopoulos (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Unknown Baton Rouge Serial Killer (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Andre Neverson (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Armando Garcia (no change)
#5 - Edward Morris (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Anthony Chang (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Francisco Martinez (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Loren Key (no change)
#1 - Michael Brashar (no change)
2003:
#10 - Arturo Munguia (no change)
#9 - Marcus Head (no change)
#8 - Lovekesh "Bobby" Kumar (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Doug Aigen (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Greisy Valencia (no change)
#5 - Christian Rodriguez (no change)
#4 - Eduardo "Limpy" Rodriguez (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Pinkney "Chip" Carter (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#2 and #1 - John Stoneman and Patricia Kelley (were #8 and #7 on John Walsh's list)
2004:
#10 - Emigdio Preciado (no change)
#9 - Paul Eischeid (no change)
#8 - Damar Pink (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Timothy Marino (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Greisy Valencia (no change)
#5 - William Plemons (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Mark Everett (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#3 and #2 - Jahbir & Alfonso Fowle (were #2 and #1 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Gary Lasher (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
2005:
#10 - Andre Harris (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#9 - Donald Lynch (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Kenneth Cofer (no change)
#7 - George Saravanos (was #6 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Alfredo Lopez-Cruz (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Jason Brown (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Fabian Urrea (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Jean-Marie Jean-Francois (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Dan Hiers (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Israel Barretero (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
(NOTE: My #1 pick for this year was tricky, since both Hiers and Barretero were wanted for terrible crimes. In the end I went with Barretero simply because his crime was more random - he got mad at a bar employee for breaking up a fight he had with someone and then shot three people dead because of it.)
2006:
#10 - Waqas Rehman (no change)
#9 - Andre Neverson (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Orson Black (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#7 and #6 - Byron Perkins & LeaAnn Howard (no change)
#5 - Eric Rosenstrom (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Rebekah Johnson (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Richard McNair (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Earnest Ferguson (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Edmundo Cerda-Anima (no change)
2007:
#10 and #9 - Dominic Lyde & Derrick Benjamin (were #9 and #8 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Nai Yin Xue (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#7, #6 and #5 - Carmela Cadena, Rafael Cadena-Sosa & Patricio Sosa (were #6, #5 and #4 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Manuel Penaloza (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Paul Jackson (no change)
#2 - Alexis Flores (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Robert Bowman (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
(NOTE: can I just say how bizarre this list was? I personally would not have put the Cadena-Sosas on the list, but that could just be me)
2008:
#10 - Timoteo Rios (was #6 on John Walsh's list)
#9 - Jeffrey Marshall (no change)
#8 - Cinthya Rodriguez (no change)
#7 - Sarah Pender (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Muammer "Mike" Aldailam (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Unknown Tinley Park Killer (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Edward Salas (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Carlos Thompson (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Darryl Crenshaw (no change)
#1 - Yaser Said (no change)
2009:
#10 - Glen Holmes Jr. (no change)
#9 - Unknown Apple Valley Bank Robber (no change)
#8 - Nazira Cross (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Abraham Mpaka (was #6 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Henry Menjivar (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Beacher Hackney (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Emmanuel Vanderhorst (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Berny Figueroa (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Jose Luis Saenz (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Jesus "Chuy" Canales (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
2010:
#10 - Richard Sam (no change)
#9 - Christopher Meade (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Paul Winklebleck (no change)
#7 and #6 - Julio Ceja & Jose Garibay (were #6 and #5 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Christopher Deininger (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Ervis Mecollari (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Robert Lee King (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Fidel Urbina (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Jose Corona (no change)
So the lists I altered the least were 2003 and 2008 (the latter is fascinating because I would have left off a couple people John Walsh put on his, like Timoteo Rios and Cinthya Rodriguez) and the ones I changed the most were 2005 and 2007 (the former was just plain weird with adding two 15 Seconds of Shame-exclusives, which I'm convinced replaced someone who'd been caught. My money would be on Cesar Lira and Peter Braunstein myself. The latter just made no sense to me, especially with Penaloza at #1. It really seemed like the only reason he got that placement was because of Heidi's actions to save her puppy. I just rewatched that profile not too long ago and I realized that the two victims were barely mentioned. I don't seem to recall AMW even airing photos of them, though I could be wrong on that.)
But I've decided to do something a little different - using only the fugitives on John Walsh's Most Wanted Lists, how would you have organized them? The only requirement to this is that you can't remove or add any other fugitives; you have to use the cases he put on his personal list, but put them in the order you would have.
Here's what I've got (note that I'm only doing 2002-2010 since those are the only lists I've seen).
2002:
#10 - Guillermo Del Prado (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#9 - Dimitrios Androutsopoulos (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Unknown Baton Rouge Serial Killer (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Andre Neverson (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Armando Garcia (no change)
#5 - Edward Morris (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Anthony Chang (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Francisco Martinez (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Loren Key (no change)
#1 - Michael Brashar (no change)
2003:
#10 - Arturo Munguia (no change)
#9 - Marcus Head (no change)
#8 - Lovekesh "Bobby" Kumar (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Doug Aigen (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Greisy Valencia (no change)
#5 - Christian Rodriguez (no change)
#4 - Eduardo "Limpy" Rodriguez (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Pinkney "Chip" Carter (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#2 and #1 - John Stoneman and Patricia Kelley (were #8 and #7 on John Walsh's list)
2004:
#10 - Emigdio Preciado (no change)
#9 - Paul Eischeid (no change)
#8 - Damar Pink (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Timothy Marino (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Greisy Valencia (no change)
#5 - William Plemons (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Mark Everett (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#3 and #2 - Jahbir & Alfonso Fowle (were #2 and #1 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Gary Lasher (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
2005:
#10 - Andre Harris (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#9 - Donald Lynch (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Kenneth Cofer (no change)
#7 - George Saravanos (was #6 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Alfredo Lopez-Cruz (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Jason Brown (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Fabian Urrea (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Jean-Marie Jean-Francois (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Dan Hiers (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Israel Barretero (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
(NOTE: My #1 pick for this year was tricky, since both Hiers and Barretero were wanted for terrible crimes. In the end I went with Barretero simply because his crime was more random - he got mad at a bar employee for breaking up a fight he had with someone and then shot three people dead because of it.)
2006:
#10 - Waqas Rehman (no change)
#9 - Andre Neverson (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Orson Black (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#7 and #6 - Byron Perkins & LeaAnn Howard (no change)
#5 - Eric Rosenstrom (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Rebekah Johnson (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Richard McNair (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Earnest Ferguson (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Edmundo Cerda-Anima (no change)
2007:
#10 and #9 - Dominic Lyde & Derrick Benjamin (were #9 and #8 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Nai Yin Xue (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#7, #6 and #5 - Carmela Cadena, Rafael Cadena-Sosa & Patricio Sosa (were #6, #5 and #4 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Manuel Penaloza (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Paul Jackson (no change)
#2 - Alexis Flores (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Robert Bowman (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
(NOTE: can I just say how bizarre this list was? I personally would not have put the Cadena-Sosas on the list, but that could just be me)
2008:
#10 - Timoteo Rios (was #6 on John Walsh's list)
#9 - Jeffrey Marshall (no change)
#8 - Cinthya Rodriguez (no change)
#7 - Sarah Pender (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Muammer "Mike" Aldailam (was #10 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Unknown Tinley Park Killer (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Edward Salas (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Carlos Thompson (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Darryl Crenshaw (no change)
#1 - Yaser Said (no change)
2009:
#10 - Glen Holmes Jr. (no change)
#9 - Unknown Apple Valley Bank Robber (no change)
#8 - Nazira Cross (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#7 - Abraham Mpaka (was #6 on John Walsh's list)
#6 - Henry Menjivar (was #8 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Beacher Hackney (was #1 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Emmanuel Vanderhorst (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Berny Figueroa (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Jose Luis Saenz (was #5 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Jesus "Chuy" Canales (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
2010:
#10 - Richard Sam (no change)
#9 - Christopher Meade (was #7 on John Walsh's list)
#8 - Paul Winklebleck (no change)
#7 and #6 - Julio Ceja & Jose Garibay (were #6 and #5 on John Walsh's list)
#5 - Christopher Deininger (was #4 on John Walsh's list)
#4 - Ervis Mecollari (was #3 on John Walsh's list)
#3 - Robert Lee King (was #2 on John Walsh's list)
#2 - Fidel Urbina (was #9 on John Walsh's list)
#1 - Jose Corona (no change)
So the lists I altered the least were 2003 and 2008 (the latter is fascinating because I would have left off a couple people John Walsh put on his, like Timoteo Rios and Cinthya Rodriguez) and the ones I changed the most were 2005 and 2007 (the former was just plain weird with adding two 15 Seconds of Shame-exclusives, which I'm convinced replaced someone who'd been caught. My money would be on Cesar Lira and Peter Braunstein myself. The latter just made no sense to me, especially with Penaloza at #1. It really seemed like the only reason he got that placement was because of Heidi's actions to save her puppy. I just rewatched that profile not too long ago and I realized that the two victims were barely mentioned. I don't seem to recall AMW even airing photos of them, though I could be wrong on that.)
but I agree with most of your points. There are so many factors looking back though. Some fugitives were acquitted, others received surprisingly light sentences, but I think Walsh for the most part did a decent job with what we knew they were wanted for at the time- and the only lists I thought were somewhat weird were 2005 and 2007 to some extent 2009. To use another example of #1 at the time, I made Robert Lee King my #1 of 2010 because of the possibility he killed another woman and young child. While it turns out other people were arrested for it, I decided not to change my list since it reflected what I thought at the time...